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    When were your sins atoned for?

    I believe in prevenient grace ... but IMO, your definition of it is incorrect! Prevenient grace: God's free gift of grace-faith-salvation (Eph 2:8-9) is given (to some), but man has free will to accept or reject it! Later, he also has free will to co-operate (or not) with the tough...
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    Dozens of warnings to the churches about losing salvation!

    WOW ... this is a totally unrelated example of this matter! ... This has nothing to do with salvation. This is the case where the guy is delivered of a demon, but does not fill the subsequent void with godly things, and so the door was open for the demon to return with 7 more of his best buds...
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    A special message for those of you expecting to go to heaven

    Butch5 has seen the light ... I don't know for how long he has seen it, but he has done seen it. Many passages have this tricky little twist to them. One has to be able to read and understand English words, and their intended meaning. Right, Butch? Right. .
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    Dozens of warnings to the churches about losing salvation!

    Good, so you are fully aware that ANY ONE of those habitual sins will send ANYONE to hell. Excellent, I'm happy for you. God bless. .
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    Dozens of warnings to the churches about losing salvation!

    Please try to find a Bible ... If you have succeeded, read one or two of these ... 1 Cor 6:9-10 Gal 5:19-21 Eph 5:3-6 Rev 21:7-8 Rev 22:14-15 If you did, congratulations, you just read about some BACs losing salvation. E.G. Anyone with even one of these habitual sins is automatically...
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    A special message for those of you expecting to go to heaven

    BAC = Born Again Christian ... This is present-day Christian code language. Like John used in 1 John 4:1-3 ... Can you tell me what code language he used there? Dis is a test ... before we move on ... Dis will allow me to take a deep breath. .
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    A special message for those of you expecting to go to heaven

    I've explained it, but you're movin' too fast to see it ... re-read. E.G. IMO, not all BAC are elect. E.G. You say "we" are elect, but not all here are elect. Walk an aisle, say a prayer, etc. ... and one is elect? <<< FAR FROM IT >>> .
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    A special message for those of you expecting to go to heaven

    1) sure, of course, etc. Rom 8:28-30 2) no 3) sure, of course, etc. IMO, not all BACs are God's elect ... blasphemy, deserving of the fire, etc. Because of all of the warnings of Paradise Lost ... I'll blame it all on John Milton. Because of the fact that ANYONE CAN walk away, reject, refuse...
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    A special message for those of you expecting to go to heaven

    Sure, but you have to be able to see past your nose. I've told you ... some deeper spiritual truths are nicely hidden. Do you believe some spiritual truths are revealed to BACs, but not to others? Who is in the Church? You including yourself? You including your tare buddies? You including your...
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    When were your sins atoned for?

    1 John 1: 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in...
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    When were your sins atoned for?

    Yes, most commentators say this was a one-time deal. Ergo, today all sins can be forgiven. .
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    A special message for those of you expecting to go to heaven

    I'd say your imagination is a tad shallow. I'm no expert in these terms, but I meant ... the whole thing could have been any-which-way God desired for it to be: grace, or none election, or none free will, or none all for heaven, or all for hell and many etc. It could easily have been all of...
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    When were your sins atoned for?

    IMO, your verses refer to Christ atoning for our sins committed before we were born-again. These verses refer to our sins committed after we were born-again: 1 John 1: 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful...
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    Dozens of warnings to the churches about losing salvation!

    We iz stubborn. Have you gone through the black list in the OP? Some of these items talk about losing eternal life. Simple examples off the top of my head: What happens to the BAC ... who does not hate his life now? who does not lose his old sinful life? who does not follow the Spirit? who...
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    Dozens of warnings to the churches about losing salvation!

    Sorry, but reality is not as cut and dried as you insist it must be. IMO, your mind can only handle black and white ... OSAS or nothing! Is it okay if the Lord is responsible for some of the answers, or do I have to have them all? For the difficult ones, please ask Him. .
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    Sovereign Will of God and Predestination

    I see you cannot see how God sees all of humanity: destined for the garbage dump. I mean: we iz descended from A&E, aren't we? If you can't accept this fundamental, you can't understand very much at all. Sorry, but true. Does your unfairness stretch all the way back to the OT where He chooses...
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    Dozens of warnings to the churches about losing salvation!

    You seem to be missing the point, so I'll repeat it ... It's about having the right heart-attitude in repenting of known sins. 1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. It's about having the right...
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    Dozens of warnings to the churches about losing salvation!

    Hammster, God knows and understands that we were born with a sin nature. He just asks for us to detest sin the way He does. And He asks us to repent when we do sin. This process makes us more acceptable to Him. There are Scriptures saying this is tied to salvation. See the black list, which you...
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    God’s reasons for hiding spiritual truths in the Bible

    This may just be the GrandDaddy of all controversial threads … there’s something here for everyone to really get excited about! God has camoflaged some major spiritual truths that upset many people. And He had good reasons for “somewhat hiding” these controversial verses. These truths are...
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    Dozens of warnings to the churches about losing salvation!

    Have you really looked at what Paul says in the OP list? I know, there are lists on both sides. I guess we'll just have to post a thread about who's hiding what, and why. But 'tis not for the faint of heart. .