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Sorry, but it sounds like you just described the difference between knowing and accepting versus knowing and rejecting. I'm specifically wanting to understand the difference in KNOWING something sufficiently enough to respond to it versus KNOWING something in such a way that you can't respond...

R Baker, You just push the quote button at the bottom of the page and that puts everything I say into a quote box which looks like this except they use these: [ ] {quote} These words are in the quote box now {/quote} I answered the passages you presented and I've dealt with many of the...

Are you saying that you think it fails when you sin? After all, God tells us that he doesn't desire for us to sin, yet we still do. Does that mean God has failed? Nothing makes much sense when your remove the concept free will.

Can you clearly explain the difference in knowing God in such a sufficient manner that you can respond to him in saving faith and knowing God in such an insufficient manner that you can't respond to him in saving faith? I've never been able to pin down a Calvinist on the difference between...

R Baker, you really need to learn the quote feature. You can't tell what you are quoting and what you are writing... This is something Griff needs to answer because it is a direct contradiction to what he had already said... Summary: It is IMPOSSIBLE for you to attain righteousness by Law...

Which post was that?

Let's take this one step at a time. Are you saying that the analogy does not accurately explain the historical context that Paul was dealing with in regard to the Jews/Gentiles of that day? If not, why? OR, are you just saying it doesn't relate to the doctrine of election? That is the point...

Griff, can you explain why you are avoiding post 278 even after multiple requests for an answer?

I just started a thread HERE>>> which discusses the historical context in which these comments were made so as to provide a more accurate exegesis of the text.

Continuing in our analogy; you become know as the "preacher to the blacks" and you are not very popular at all. In fact, the whites argue that blacks aren't deserving of entrance into God's covenant; that they aren't the "ELECT of GOD," and they beat you and even throw you in prison many times...

I know it is difficult to see a passage from a different perspective when you have become so accustom to reading it from your own perspective, so let's use an analogy to gain a different perspective: Pretend with me that we live before the Civil War and we are all slave owners. We have been...

Actually...your interpretation of these scriptures... Your interpretation is hyper individualized and ignores the clear reference to people groups. This trend away from the corporate view and to the more Western 'super individualized' way of thinking began with Augustine. Leo Garrett, in...

I'm speaking of God's genuine universal appeal of the gospel, which most Calvinistic scholars affirm.

Gotta stop you here. Who decided that the punishment for all people for the Fall would be that they are born with a totally depraved nature making them unable to willingly come to Christ even when genuinely called by God to come and be reconciled? In your system, God decreed this to be the...

Predestination is a doctrine of the bible and EVERY Christian should affirm it. The question is which perspective or interpretation about predestination should we affirm? Calvinism: A particular number of people from every nation have been preselected and predestined to certain salvation...

They are left without enablement to come to believe in Christ....they still have "no excuse," and nothing is preventing them from acknowledge God through the clearly seen and understood general revelation of His divine attributes and eternal nature. They are held to account for that which has...

Is this what you think of the Corporate View of Election? Because if so, you need to study it more fully. We don't deny the personal nature of the election, we just begin with the corporate perspective first. Allow me to explain, and please be objective so as to really understand our...

Depends on what you mean by decreed. Most recognize the distinction between God's permissive decree and His decretive decree. One is merely something he doesn't hinder or prevent, and the other is one He actively works to bring to pass. God may permit evil but he never authors or causes it.

I pretty much affirm every part of Total Depravity except the part that denies responsible moral creatures are not response-able. You can be an slave but enabled to freedom by truth (the truth shall set you free). You can be an enemy but enabled to reconciliation by a divine appeal. You can...

Just as their are many various Calvinistic camps (supra, infra, 4pointer, 5 pointer etc), there are also differing 'camps' within the 'non-Calvinistic' groups. I fit most closely with men like Adrian Rodgers, Hershel Hobbs and EY Mullins who helped to pen the Baptist Faith and message. I hold...