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so if grace is freely given by god and all we have to do is accept it - which is faith - then what happen when you choose to longer accept it? the bible says that faith comes by hearing the word of God so faith is definitely a gift from god. but the bible also says that faith can grow like a...

there are too many holes in the doctrine of eternal security. does faith come from grace or does faith release grace? faith is the only thing that seperates the believers from the sinners. without faith god's grace would be like a locked door that no one could open. without it we could never...

I see nothing but controdictions from all the supporters of unconditional eternal security. At first they argued grace plus nothing. Now they are saying all we need to do is accept it through faith which is what the other guys have been saying all along.

Isn't that what the others have said all along? Both grace and faith come from Jesus all we have to do is accept it and rejoice?

That's what everyone has been saying all along. It all comes from him but the choice to accept it is ours.

Wait! In an earlier post you said grace and faith are the same. Now you called faith a work. You are controdicting yourself. Faith is not a human work but a work of the spirit. On the human side of things faith is but a fruit of the spirit in us.

grace is a freely given. faith can grow or dwindle. they are clearly not the same.

Both grace and faith are gifts from God however, while intertwined, they are not the same.

I found this in another thread which I feel explains Unlimited Atonement rather nicely: "In fact your doctrine [Calvinism], blinds you to the most powerrful reality of the true gospel itself.... That truth being that salvation, healing and deliverance can all be found in the atonement. That...

Four key words to look up that may help you: Continuationism Cessationism Dispensationalism SOZO (in the greek)

The biggest difference between Wesleyans and Baptists is roughly the age old debate of Calvinism versus Arminians. Most modern Baptists (except Free Will) hold to a Calvinistic perpective, predominantly the controversial doctrine of unconditional eternal security also known as "once saved always...

This is a spirit filled - charismatic forum. Most charismatics are pentecostal who don't believe in eternal security. If you weren't looking for a confrontation then you should have never brought up the issue in the first place. If you want to follow a hotly debated doctrine that's your business...