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    Something I am upset about.

    Something that really grieves me,is when my church family says that all sickness is from the devil.What a wonderful healing enviroment that creates.Look,these bodies will not be redeemed until the Lords return,and Romans 8 even says they are subject to corruption.Not to mention some peoples...
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    To Tithe or not to Tithe, That is the question?

    Exactly, a yoke of bondage. It's an ordinance of the OC. Those were nailed to the cross. Anyone who does a simple study will see how tithing is not for NT believers. Paul spoke of giving as you can afford. He never mentioned tithing. Try talking to pastors about this, it makes them fly into a rage.
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    To Tithe or not to Tithe, That is the question?

    I was not talking about me.Why are you getting personal?.Sorry,but you are.Thanks,Pat.
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    The great awakening confrence

    Excuse me but,your very "hold fast" wordage,is actually from the same verse,where Paul exhorts about testing everything you know.False teachers are all over the place,using smooth talk and flattery,to deceive the naive,read this. Rom 16;18 For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but...
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    To Tithe or not to Tithe, That is the question?

    The irony is that all the poor in churches,are forced to tithe to all the other poor,and to the teachers salary,who may live in a better situation,than the poor tither.Is that fair?They should just teach what Paul did,and not let anyone be burdened,and those who wish to give,may do so.It is...
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    The great awakening confrence

    Absolutely.Even the unsaved warn each other,how much more the Chruch of God.
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    The great awakening confrence

    I meant to tell you,that your daughter is cute.:)
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    The great awakening confrence

    It's no big deal,the op asked,so we are all giving our advice.Thanks,Pat.
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    The great awakening confrence

    Well said Faulty.Thanks for your input.Pat.
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    The great awakening confrence

    Hello, are you aware that Rick Joiner is a part of the Extreme Prophetic movement and NAR. His teachings about visions and angels and flattering prophesies that have damaged people because they were false are extrabiblical. As are the latter rain doctrines. Read up on what he teaches and...
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    To Tithe or not to Tithe, That is the question?

    Hello.I think you might be confusing giving,and obligation.Obligation is what comes from the tithe teachers,who have turned it into law,written or non written.Either by ostrasized,or by actual expulsion from the church. And why is it,the "giving" is always to go to the asker of the...
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    To Tithe or not to Tithe, That is the question?

    Exactly.Are we also saying to listen to the food ordinances,and now we can't eat pork? The most damage comes from the "curse" from Malachi 3,that pro tithers use to make people give out of fear.Again,why do they just raise the curse for that one levitical law,but not the others?
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    Would like to hear what you guys think.

    I am sorry to say,that my denomination,sets up a winners and losers,mentality.
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    The Normal Christian Life

    I am glad to hear of this young man's healing. God is a healer. However, I wonder, if someone is not healed, does that mean they are not living the normal Christian life. Paul preached to the Galatians because of an illness, and that letter, has become the magna carter of the christian faith...
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    To Tithe or not to Tithe, That is the question?

    I agree.There are some churches that dont even allow some to serve,if they don't tithe.If I am not mistaken,the early church did not tithe until about 800 years after the cross. Your right about whom it serves.Here is a great verse from scripture,when Paul confronted exploiters.Imagine the...
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    To Tithe or not to Tithe, That is the question?

    The best thing a congregation can do to a leader who uses scripture to leverage tithe.Is to put him under discipline,and make him get a side job,as Paul did,not to be a burden.There are numerous citations that show he worked to be an example for people.In Both Thessolonian letters,Acts 18,Acts...
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    Christian Weirdness - Where do You Draw the Line?

    Deception flourishes,under the silencing banner of "your a pharisee".Good words and good wisdom Simon.I suppose I could repeat the words of our Lord.. Blessed are you Simon,for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you,but by my Father.
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    Time line of ministry

    Oh my,I was under the presumption that you wanted a biblical conversation.Ok,if you want the thread closed,I am sure the mods can do that.Pat.
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    Hyper everything.Hyper anointing.

    Yes,they actually neede Barnabas to confirm Paul.:) Saul in Jerusalem 26 And when he had come to Jerusalem, he attempted to join the disciples. And they were all afraid of him, for they did not believe that he was a disciple. 27 But Barnabas took him and brought him to the apostles and...
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    Hyper everything.Hyper anointing.

    Sadly,there are many converts that are hearing how mighty they are,rather than how humble they should be.