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    eternal suffering

    What's the deal with the assumption people have? Nobody thinks it's odd that kids in schools learn Spanish, French, German, Chinese, Japanese, or sign language. But it is unthinkable that a college graduate could learn to read Greek? I've been treated shamefully on this forum. I've been accused...
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    I started reading Greek in 2009 reading just a little bit every day. It was like cutting a trail through a jungle. But I kept reading a little every day, and it opened up and I understood more and more. It's still a work in progress, I don't claim to be an expert, but I am also not the one of us...
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    How is it false witnessing??? I wasn't even talking to you or ABOUT you. I was ignoring you, so please butt out.
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    Being ABLE to read Greek??? Duh! No. But I'm not the one griping about translations, now am I? I don't read an Interlinear, and I didn't say that I did. Then you are hardly in a position to be able to say which translation is best. You COULD just pick a translation that matches the results...
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    Romans 6:23...no annihilation there

    The day of the destruction of the ungodly hasn't yet come. I'm sick of arguing about this. Believe whatever you want. People can't be dead and alive at the same time. Your belief is self contradictory.
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    I read the NT in Greek, and I have found that the ESV is an excellent translation of that. I compare the ESV to the original Greek every day in my daily Bible reading. Sadly, I cannot read Hebrew so I use a translation for the OT part of my daily Bible study. Since I see that the ESV is...
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    Romans 6:23...no annihilation there

    I've heard people talk about " spiritual death" even though it is never used in the Bible. The people who are dead while they are alive are not dead while they are alive. That is a figure of speech and it means the certainty of their destruction.
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    Romans 6:23...no annihilation there

    The verse says "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." Do you really expect me to believe that Paul didn't mean death, he meant "living death"? No, if he HAD meant that, he certainly could have said that, but he didn't. Would you say that...
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    eternal suffering

    I know. I want to stay away, but there you go. I should just go away and write in the sand rather than try to convince anyone that the Bible really does mean what it says, when nobody really wants to believe that. Why do I waste my time here? I don't know what 2 Cor 4:17 has to do with whether...
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    What is Hell is all about?

    I've been studying this for a long time. According to Jesus Christ, both the body and the soul of the wicked will be destroyed in hell. Matthew 10:28 This means that the wicked will actually perish, they will be destroyed. A lot of people think that the Bible says that the wicked will not be...
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    eternal suffering

    "Hope in the LORD and keep his way. He will exalt you to inherit the land; when the wicked are destroyed, you will see it." Psalm 37:34 The reason that I believe that the wicked will be destroyed is because the Bible says that the wicked will be destroyed. Don't pat me on the back, believe what...
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    No. The BOR uses symbols. The beast has seven heads and ten horns.
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    eternal suffering

    I reply to whatever I want to reply to. As you do. What does John 3:16 say in your Bible? Yes, I have you on ignore. That does not mean I am not allowed to read what you post IF I WANT TO! Having you on ignore merely cleans up the thread for me, since you tend to post LONG posts which I have...
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    No, the Bible does NOT contradict itself. The Bible continually states that the penalty for sin is death, the wicked will be destroyed, they will perish. Seriously, what does John 3:16 say in your Bible? Nobody EVER wants to actually ANSWER that question! Are y'alls doctrines so weak that you...
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    Well, since Jesus IS GOD... Death couldn't really hold Him, could it? Kinda Funny how everything holds together when what you believe is the truth, isn't it?
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    And all that remains is for all of us to actually believe that the wages of sin really IS death instead of eternal torture on fire in hell. Think about it. If the wages of sin really were eternal torture in hell, wouldn't the Bible say "The wages of sin is eternal torture in hell"? If the wages...
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    Okay... Let's say (for the sake of argument) that the Bible is correct which states that the wages of sin is death, and those who reject Jesus will not have eternal life but instead will perish and will "die eternally". You asked, "what is the benefit?" Isn't the benefit obvious? The benefit is...
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    IF the Bible said that the wages of sin was to be eternally tortured in hell forever, then I would accept that as true. SINCE the Bible says that the wages of sin is death, I MUST accept that as true instead of the false doctrine of eternal torture in hell. But as you say, it is no surprise that...
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    Happiness in Heaven while Loved Ones Fry in Hell?

    No. I didn't say that, did I? Whoever agrees with God will be right and whoever does not will not be right. I'm not going to quote the entire book of Romans right here. You have it, it is up to you to accept or reject.
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    Happiness in Heaven while Loved Ones Fry in Hell?

    Romans 3:4 let God be true and everyone else be wrong.