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Luther: Well, wait a minute, your asking me to believe in soemething that is contrary to expierence and commone sense. That is not demeaning to either science or faith. I just need proof...and proof that leads to truth. Not relative truth.."well today its true." but tommorrow it may not be...

Luther: you can PROVE that something comes from nothing. Not just abstract conclusions?

Luther: All I have to say is.. Colonel Jessep: You want answers? Lieutenant Kaffee: I think I'm entitled. Colonel Jessep: YOU WANT ANSWERS? Lieutenant Kaffee: I WANT THE TRUTH! Colonel Jessep: YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

Luther: Thats exactly how I understand it..."winking in and out of existence for very short periods of time." I just don't believe it though.

Luther: I was just gonna say...some believe that time itself, doesn't exist. and I had the same thought about balance even as I was writing my response. It could be argued the other way, as you demonstrated. but doesn't virtual mean not real? how can something not real borrow from an energy...

Luther: But you see God is not an effect, so needs no cause. In fact for the Universe to exist, the neccesity of God is very much there. What did Aristotle call God, The Unmoved Prime Mover.

Luther: hey, don't knock incredulity, do you believe everything you hear?

Luther..Salvation is not an action. Man that is wild...I am still thinking about that. And I must confess, I am sure we haven't even come close to all the "options". Paul, I belive in Romans 8/9, goes into this area of predestination, and pretty much says, well God is God, and tough if your...

Luther: Its a good point. However, science is making such incredible strides, that next week when its discovered that QM was grossly in error and the Strickland Equation now modifies all former discovery in Physics, its central theme being that time travel IS happening between electrons and...

Luther: Sparklecat, I don't even know how to answer that. I guess cause everything we see has a beginnng and end. A cause and effect, from the birth of far off Suns, to the local weather.

Luther: Okay, I think past eternal models just are not true..so I didn't comment. Since neither one of us, can prove or disprove that model. You were throwing an alternative idea out. I read it, no comment. And I agree with the age of our Universe at 13 BYA. but...I draw the line..at the...

Luther: In the first example, you haven't explained the existence of the electron itself, so what you really have is an unidentified cause that makes it jag left or right in the famous Double Slit experiment. I suspect in time, this will be explained. I am reminded of an old joke, between God...

Luther: "..the past is finite..." finite implies limitation..which means end. If his Universe is finite. It must have a beginning.

Luther: Didn't Einstein say that time/matter/energy are intertwined, and that you cannot have space without time. To be sure we are talking time scales that are abstract to our minds. In fact Hawking created "imaginary" time to deal with aspects of the Universe in Brief History of Time. and...

Reformationist, I have always enjoyed reading your posts..they are both penetrating and enlightening. As for the issue of free and will, we only have certain options. 1. Every action, every thought is dictated by God. Free will is an illusion. A. This includes salvation. 2...

Luther: Pleae cite these uncaused events.

Luther: yes, but you would have to support randomness to keep your view straight. That we are anothing more than a mathimatical probability. But in my mind...it comes down to vodoo science. Something from non existent nothingness. Finally, I think my presentatin of randomness, cause and...

examples of apparent free will in the Bible.. adam and eve. Jonah...who in fact does refuse to preach to Ninevah..and is angry with God for wanting to save them. of, course later..Jonah will change his mind after his life hangs by a thread. David..chooses to take on Goliath..after the...

Luther: I agree...we gotta deal with that question first. Is is just an illusion? When we say God predestined us to hell, does that properly mean..God had foreknowledge that we were going to hell? Which would still give enough wiggle room for legit free will.

Luther: well,first..nothing is random...it only appears to be. and yes, we are now into metaphyiscs..but isn't that the study of the Ultimate Reality...