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I wouldn't sit as judge, either; good point about how easy we've got it. I don't know that I agree that Eastern Catholics will not have an important effect on how Orthodox see things if they concelebrate. If sharing the same Eucharist means agreement, as I've been told it does, then it looks...

I concur, and this is exactly what I have been taught at church.

Actually, my use of the word "Protestant" here is unfair. I should be using "evangelical fundamentalist." However, no offense is intended. Just trying to illustrate a difference.

John, you nailed it, actually. Symbolic/iconic/imagery - I was under the impression that, in the Eastern mindset, none of those terms mean "less than real or true." Let's take painted icons, the ones we kiss. If icons are not really a point of contact, a meeting place between us and the...

Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Icons...

I have no idea, vanshan. Perhaps the Melkites have their own furnishings? There wasn't enough information in the article so that I could tell.

So, this is joint ownership of the building and grounds, but not intercommunion. Correct?

I didn't think that I was saying that it is not Christ Himself. It cannot be iconic and at the same time Christ Himself? Please explain.

;) The original Greek says something about a vine and some branches...

Looking forward to it, Neil. :)

:clap: woohoo! Welcome back, Suzannah!

Plan 9, you should emerge more often. :)

The Son of the Boxkeeper said: Every Kleenex that becometh useless with inhospitatility, my Father taketh away, and it is crumpled, and housewives come along with brooms, mops, and vacuum cleaners...

http://www.cnewa.org/ecc-melkite.htm

What is the difference between Melkites and Byzantine Catholics?

So do I, Maximus. :) I'm not arguing that it isn't. Definitely not! And I don't think any of us have intentionally said that we do. But that's just how I've read it.

Perhaps it would be helpful to re-post part of what Fr. Thomas Hopko wrote: [emphasis mine] One of the most unfortunate developments took place when men began to debate the reality of Christ's Body and Blood in the eucharist. While some said that the eucharistic gifts of bread and wine were...

Em, I felt the same way. I'd never been any good at babysitting, even, and the thought of going everywhere with a diaper bag and a stroller! Then, the day I went to the hospital (for labor to be induced) I wanted to panic. There was no way to change my mind, to get out of going through this...

[just pondering] It seems that, for us, symbolism is typology is iconic... The bread and wine, consecrated, become icons of Christ's body and blood, and we know that the icon and what it represents are one. Indeed, what else would Christ taste like?! [/ponder]

I know what you mean. I haven't, until today, felt certain what was real, what was PC, and what was born of sentiment or Protestant bias in terms Orthodox ecclesiology, and I sure do appreciate those links! Of course, this leads to other questions...