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    25 years in Faith Movement:The TRUTH

    Dear Snup, quote: Look at verse two, here is an example of the second case that jmwhite spoke about (and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it), but also in this passage is a third case (2Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away) and in verse 6 (If a man abide not...
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    Biblical examples of people who lost their salvation

    Ben, We post post after post on this thread and countless others showing in context how you are wrong about how we lose salvation since true believers cannot lose it. Yet you will not listen and you can be very frustrating to deal with, much like those Pharisees might have been to Jesus...
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    Biblical examples of people who lost their salvation

    Ben, We post post after post on this thread and countless others showing in context how you are wrong about how we lose salvation since true believers cannot lose it. Yet you will not listen and you can be very frustrating to deal with, much like those Pharisees might have been to Jesus...
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    Biblical examples of people who lost their salvation

    Dear Ben, quote: 1] Why do we need to be broken off so that unbelieving Jews can be grafted in? Isn't there enough room for all? It probably has to do with the CHOSEN PEOPLE, rejecting the invitation---so everyone off of the STREETS were invited. That IS why the Gentiles were INVITED...
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    25 years in Faith Movement:The TRUTH

    Dear All, Someone spoke evil. Or did not pat what they owed. Or murdered. Or failed to forgive. Or one could say any sin or wrongdoing. God deals with each of His children in a way as to bring them to repentence, even as we earthly fathers chastise our children and sometimes let them...
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    Biblical examples of people who lost their salvation

    Ben, If breaking off the branches means individuals [because of the plural, you say] then look at these thoughts: 1] Why do we need to be broken off so that unbelieving Jews can be grafted in? Isn't there enough room for all? 2] Since these individual Jews Paul was talking about have...
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    25 years in Faith Movement:The TRUTH

    Dear Andrew, The law in Deut. 28 was given to the Jews. The general curse of the law though is for all that are under it. Since the Gentiles did not have the written codified law [Deut. 28] they were not specifically cursed by it. Rather they lived under the law of sowing and reaping...
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    Biblical examples of people who lost their salvation

    Dear Michelle, You said, I don't understand why you are accusing me of holding to a works based salvation. Let's forget for a moment that faith comes by *hearing* the word, (which is a work) and by *believing* on Him (which is a work)--so technically we are all guilty of it if you look at...
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    25 years in Faith Movement:The TRUTH

    Dear all, Those under the law have to obey it perfectly or go to hell. Christians are not under the law. There is no sin where there is no law. The only way to get out from under the law is to be born again from above. You cannot be 'unborn' spritually, for He promises to never leave us...
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    Biblical examples of people who lost their salvation

    Dear Ben, Judas wasn't chosen for eternal life. He was chosen to be of the twelve so that the scripture might be fulfilled. To use this verse about judas [that those chosen by Jesus could go to hell] as you are, misinterprets the doctrine of election. Judas wasn't chosen to be one of the...
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    25 years in Faith Movement:The TRUTH

    Dear SnuP, Gal 6 was talking about salvation but rewards. "Well doing" is what Paul was urging us in to do AND as you see why we reap life. Otherwise salvation is by works [what we sow] and not by grace [since ONE sin is enough to cast us from God]. ALL of our sin was paid for by Jesus'...
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    Biblical examples of people who lost their salvation

    Dear Michelle, you said, Dear Mike, Yes I believe that Christ died for all men and that all men will have the opportunity to be reconciled to Him. For the record I believe that God is 100 percent responsible for saving us... but at the same time I believe that we are 100 percent...
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    Biblical examples of people who lost their salvation

    Dear Ben, I agree with this interp: In 2Peter chapter 2, are false teachers/prophets. They are NEVER saved, they NEVER cease from sin, they are SLAVES TO CORRUPTION. These horrible degenerates, entice unstable souls (verse 14). They entice by fleshly desires and by arrogant words of...
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    Biblical examples of people who lost their salvation

    Dear Michelle, I understand why you believe 2nd peter the way you do and i don't think you have any desire to boast on yourself. I am not trying to accuse you of being a boaster, but I am trying to get you to see that the doctrine you espouse has no cgoice but to say that the reason you will...
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    25 years in Faith Movement:The TRUTH

    Dear SnuP, You are speaking in a legal sense. The enemy has NO legal standing before the lawful ruler, the Lord God. Who shall lay any charge to God's elect? It is God who justifies. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, is risen again, who is at the right hand of...
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    25 years in Faith Movement:The TRUTH

    Dear SnuP, Thank you for clearing that up for me. Your last post was explanatory. Without it, we might have gone around the block all over again. To be under law could be understood as a legal or actual state instead of a percieved state. In their mindset, these people percieve that they...
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    Biblical examples of people who lost their salvation

    Dear Michelle, I don't believe they had actually escaped, nor do I believe the author intends to portray them as such and here is why: When we become saved, we become different than what we used to be. We are changed, and all things become new. What we has before, a spirit that followed...
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    Biblical examples of people who lost their salvation

    Dear Miss Shelby, First, why are you assuming that the state Peter is talking about is the state of relationship between God and man, saved or unsaved? The state that is worse might be their state of anxiety. Their state that might be worse could be their greater looseness towards sin and...
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    25 years in Faith Movement:The TRUTH

    Dear SnuP, Louis said: There are real problems with Christians doing this otherwise Galatians wouldn't have been written. " Agreed, but in the perspective you and I have, this dismissed the views he offered earlier about romans chapter 7. "To walk under the law, as if it had power over...
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    25 years in Faith Movement:The TRUTH

    Dear SnuP, quote: Originally posted by LouisBooth "The idea is that you can place yourself back under the law by trying to do what only God can do." Nope, you can't..this statement of yours also doesn't mess with this statement "I believe that a person, once they are saved can never...