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    Earliest Church Father's View of God

    Iranaeus - Against Heresies - Book 4 Chapter 1 - 8 But as many as feared God, and were anxious about His law, these ran to Christ, and were all saved. For He said to His disciples: “Go ye to the sheep of the house of Israel, (Mat_10:6) which have perished.” And many more Samaritans, it is said...
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    Earliest Church Father's View of God

    Iranaeus - Against Heresies - Book 3 Chapter 16 - 20 2. For as it was not possible that the man who had once for all been conquered, and who had been destroyed through disobedience, could reform himself, and obtain the prize of victory; and as it was also impossible that he could attain to...
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    Earliest Church Father's View of God

    Iranaeus - Against Heresies - Book 3 Chapter 10 - 11 the Son of the Most High God, who promised by the law and the prophets that He would make His salvation visible to all flesh; Iranaeus - Against Heresies - Book 3 Chapter 12 - 15 “The place was shaken where they were assembled together; and...
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    Earliest Church Father's View of God

    Iranaeus - Against Heresies - Book 3 Chapter 1- 9 pertaining to the truth: so that every man, whosoever will, can draw from her the water of life.
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    Earliest Church Father's View of God

    Iranaeus - Against Heresies - Book 2 Chapter 33- End And therefore, when the number [fixed upon] is completed, [that number] which He had predetermined in His own counsel, all those who have been enrolled for life [eternal] shah rise again, having their own bodies, and having also their own...
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    Earliest Church Father's View of God

    Iranaeus - Against Heresies - Book 2 Chapter 28- 32 Nothing remarkable.
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    Earliest Church Father's View of God

    Iranaeus - Against Heresies - Book 2 Chapter 21- 27 ...forsaking Him who by His plain announcements freely imparts gifts to all who come to Him ... ...Since, therefore, the entire Scriptures, the prophets, and the Gospels, can be clearly, unambiguously, and harmoniously understood by all...
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    Writing a book on free will salvation

    But you suggest that God's will is to purposefully hide salvation for a group of people just because He desires to. But I suggest that that is wrong thinking. The Bible is clear in many places that God desires all to be saved. Below I quote some of the scriptures that show that all means both...
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    Writing a book on free will salvation

    You said: Let's get one thing done first. You fully butcher the quote from Irenaeus. Here it is in its full context. Contrary to what you say it is 100% speaking of the fact man has free agency regarding salvation. 1. This expression [of our Lord], “How often would I have gathered thy...
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    Earliest Church Father's View of God

    Iranaeus - Against Heresies - Book 2 Chapter 8- 14 Iranaeus - Against Heresies - Book 2 Chapter 15- 20 Nothing remarkable all just talk of heresies.
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    Earliest Church Father's View of God

    Iranaeus - Against Heresies - Book 2 Chapter 1- 7 predestinating all things, formed them as He pleased, bestowing harmony on all things, and assigning them their own place, and the beginning of their creation. for as soon as God formed a conception in His mind, that was also done which He had...
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    Earliest Church Father's View of God

    Iranaeus - Against Heresies - Book 1 Chapter 13- 18 Iranaeus - Against Heresies - Book 1 Chapter 19- 28 Iranaeus - Against Heresies - Book 1 Chapter 29- End This Book has nothing remarkable to report. Just talk of heretical beliefs.
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    Writing a book on free will salvation

    From Irenaeus [A.D. 120-202] Against Heresies - Book 4 Ch 37: 1. This expression [of our Lord], “How often would I have gathered thy children together, and thou wouldest not,” (Mat 23:37) set forth the ancient law of human liberty, because God made man a free [agent] from the beginning...
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    Writing a book on free will salvation

    Hi - so that I get a good overview of the early church view. I have started this thread Earliest Church Father's View of God feel free to participate.
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    Earliest Church Father's View of God

    Iranaeus - Against Heresies - Book 1 Chapter 1- 6 this the true Light who enlighteneth every man this the Creator of the world, this He that came to His own, this He that became flesh and dwelt among us Iranaeus - Against Heresies - Book 1 Chapter 7- 12 so also the preaching of the truth...
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    Earliest Church Father's View of God

    I am starting this thread for anyone who may be interested in whether they taught free will or predestination. I am going to read every church father within the first 150 years or so, those close to the early church. Chapter by chapter. And honestly appraise what they taught regarding the free...
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    Writing a book on free will salvation

    Don't you think there is a valid reason for getting the thoughts of the earliest church fathers, all the one's I have read believed in free will. The ones closest to the apostles. 400 years, that's just enough time for the devil to corrupt the view of the word of God. I will stick with those...
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    Writing a book on free will salvation

    You accuse me of being sinful and dishonest. As for the quote mine as you call it. Irenaeus is a very large work. I did not even know where to look to find the truth. So I prayed and asked the LORD to show me what they truly believed about free will. I then randomly opened up the work Against...
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    Writing a book on free will salvation

    What are you talking about? You said: The following was a direct quote from Irenaeus. 1. This expression [of our Lord], “How often would I have gathered thy children together, and thou wouldest not,” (Mat 23:37) set forth the ancient law of human liberty, because God made man a free [agent]...
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    Writing a book on free will salvation

    Why would God who desires them to be saved, give them a nature contrary to His will. One that can not repent. Scripture shows us why blindness is given to people. 2Th 2:11-12 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be...