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absolutely not nuff said?

so it hasn't even started yet then?

2 Corinthians 3 14But their minds were (W)hardened; for until this very day at the (X)reading of (Y)the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. 15But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; 16(Z)but whenever a person turns to...

np :)

Romans 1 18For (AJ)the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who (AK)suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19because (AL)that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20For (AM)since the creation of...

1 Timothy 1 3As I urged you upon my departure for (K)Macedonia, remain on at (L)Ephesus so that you may instruct certain men not to (M)teach strange doctrines, 4nor to pay attention to (N)myths and endless (O)genealogies, which give rise to mere (P)speculation rather than (Q)furthering the...

1 Timothy 1 3As I urged you upon my departure for (K)Macedonia, remain on at (L)Ephesus so that you may instruct certain men not to (M)teach strange doctrines, 4nor to pay attention to (N)myths and endless (O)genealogies, which give rise to mere (P)speculation rather than (Q)furthering the...

2 Timothy 2 14Remind them of these things, and solemnly (AI)charge them in the presence of God not to (AJ)wrangle about words, which is useless and leads to the ruin of the hearers. 15Be diligent to (AK)present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately...

2 Timothy 2 14Remind them of these things, and solemnly (AI)charge them in the presence of God not to (AJ)wrangle about words, which is useless and leads to the ruin of the hearers. 15Be diligent to (AK)present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately...

apparently you missed my point about them being led to the proper information if they do embrace the goodness within

there are those who more naturally inclined to good than evil...it seems harder for these people to be evil then it is to be good pure of heart there are so many different types of people...to lump them all into one category is fairly naive

I would say free choice is probably a better way of putting it

if a man truly embraces what is right, true and good within themselves they will be led to the proper information

Romans 1 18For (AJ)the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who (AK)suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19because (AL)that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20For (AM)since the creation of...

seems to me as though hes getting purpose and plan confused with will Gods initial will is a freewill being, secondary will that the being turns to Him and allows Him to heal it and through this that his overall plan and purpose which is set in stone to be accomplished(but this is a non factor...

and completely lacking in any grace whatsoever God is not a God of confusion, which is all this is

shouldn't this be in unorthodox? I do believe 100% that the Holy Spirit is God but you are inviting others to violate the site rules with this post

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1s9BJoqGp0

I have yet to see a clear, concise summary of your beliefs and in fact your previous post which I just replied too shows a freewill view

what you have said is NON-Calvinist a)either God desires all men to come to the truth and has the ability simply by granting faith through grace to save ALL men b)or He hates some men and loves others and doesn't actually desire them to come to Him or He would grant them faith through grace...