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As you have accused me of falsely using the word 'lies', I have shown above clear lies that you have told. On both of these matters, I have refuted the allegations, made and upheld by Visionary, still, way back in the thread yet you persist in spreading lies about my motives for the thread. You...

You and others are not - some are and I am sick of the attacks, lies and misrepresentations that are repeated time and again. I do not have to put up with these things any longer. The thread will be closed and my account with CF will be terminated as soon as the Mod to whom I have sent the pm...

Such foolish comments from both of you! The moderators will be asked to closed this thread because of the lies and misrepresentation by a just a few people.

I very much doubt that! I do not have the hang ups you have about these things.

Possibly not - the simple point of the OP is to invite people to say what they feel are the key things a Messianic ought to believe in order to come under the title 'Messianic'; in other words it would be a bit like Bebbington's quadrilateral. These key points can certainly be debated, as they...

Not at all - I wish it were that easy, then one could cope with it. Your stock in trade answer is that which I have highlighted. I wonder if you are aware how many times you give that same response, or slight variations of it, to a whole variety of posts by various people? The fact that you have...

Seems to defeat some! :)

That is just the point of the exercise. It is NOT asking anyone to create a Creed, but to debate the essentials that would be taken as a 'given' by the posters here. Given all the debates we have on here, all flavoured by our own particular beliefs, ideologies and other 'baggage', what are the...

Oh dear, you really have some serious problems that need dealing with!

Given that G_d's intention, whenever Yeshua was born, was that it was for the Jews - first to the Jews, then to the Gentiles - why are so many Gentiles against it, or worried about it, not to mention those who celebrate it? It's not, in my opinion, their feast. That, properly, should be...

The Messianic Movement, as a whole, does not have a creed to which everyone who takes the title 'Messianic' should adhere, although there are a few groups who have an in-house version. If we were writing a definitive Creed (in the style of the Apostles' or Nicene Creeds), for the Movement, what...

They are not 50 year periods, as it says. 2000 is not 50 years after 1960, though 2010 is, so I wonder if there is any signficance in its inclusion.

I am just starting the degree - it will not be ready for a couple of years!

I do not understand your argument. I do not think you have quite grasped the logic of the arguments on this subject.

That's how we preachers all felt when we started out. That is why my strap line, under the picture, says: Make Bible poverty, history. I'm not talking about the need for Bibles in the world, as such, but, rather, the lack of Biblical knowledge from those who already have a Bible!

Wow, a first and second degree studying a second language is going to be a tall order. Most folk would not attempt a first degree in a second language, let alone a Masters. I wish you well, Yonah. I've just started a second Masters. My thesis will be on aspects of Paul's teaching (hence the...

Sounds good. Would these degrees be on Hebrew as a language or some other subject studied in Hebrew, as opposed to English?

This is not a debate thread (assuming the above is not a book etc)

Gideon - post the full details (Author, title, publisher and date published) on the sticky. That is where people look for recommendations.

There are pages of them in the first sticky! Go back from this thread so that you can see all the threads listed - at the top of the page, just below the New Threads button, you will see two 'sticky' posts (permanent posts). The first has lists of books etc. It also shows anti-Messianic books...