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Probably the first step to get OVER on Ishmael is to stop lying to ourselves about having Ishmael to contend with. We should recognize that there is a son of the flesh who is NOT going to get through the gate of Heaven no matter what he does. In the same way we are not 'in truth' when we say...

Doesn't really matter according to the universal reality of the sin problem.

I don't know why anyone would place a not equal sign there. Billy Graham was a great evangelist who simplified the real Gospel to millions precisely in that equation making it an equal sign. He was even gracious enough to turn the people back to their own sects after bringing them in.

Jews/christians/Islamists/all people ALL have the IDENTICAL problem. That problem is shown by Christ and resolved 'in Him.' Whether any person sees it or not is also solely up to God in Christ.

You apparently missed that part. I'd suggest it was by choice on your part, as usual.

There are many 'club filters' that religious men impose upon us. There really is only ONE heresy. That heresy we all personally carry. It is put forward by Paul in Galatians 4, showing that the son of the flesh wars against the son of the spirit, the SONS OF GOD. No amount of head knowledge...

No believer is free to slander others here. Why do you listen to him when he casts you aside and out of the church???

Personally I find it impossible to separate Jews/Judaism from christianity. They are intimately linked at the hip. The Word of God came to Israel/Jews first, even though it was held by imperfect people. The Word of God of the O.T. was made flesh. Same Word, different container. It is far...

Believe it or not Mr. OrthodoxyUSA the churches (plural) are all comprised of imperfect sinners. Why anyone thinks their persnickety constructs are able to make them perfect is the only strange part of any given sect. Sects who have had nearly 2000 years of ceremonial elements and not arrived...

Some people have the delusion that their subjective views of history and the subjective history sifters they solely employ are thee sole and only arbiters of all truth. It's even funnier when they expect others to believe it.

I called for that the moment you expelled Rome and Anglicans from the church in this thread.

Some people can take 3 words from the text, even if they are not connected in a sentence, and make a heresy of them. Are such positions not Biblical based heresy? :D

I admit to struggling with the term before I posted it.

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Oh, look, somebody get's it! You mean like not accepting IC or transubstantiation or any other dogma that requires belief in your sect?

Well, yeah, it is pretty much their attitude Albion. The only break they give other christians is if they are of ignorant and uninformed. How do you think they got so many numbers in the first place?

One of the earliest and hottest debated measures was the Trinity or understanding the Godhead. From there things broke down rapidly over the centuries as more filters and sifters were added and various factions broke apart in our never ending quest to be 'the sole right one and to come up with...

I give the orthodox churches credit for formulating some of the basics that ALL of us agree to. Can't take that from them. Indeed on that one too. Part of the initial splits of the 'starter' church was the VERY FALSE insistence that they be placed under one head when in fact the BISHOPS of...

Patterns repeat for spiritual/anti-spiritual reasons. That is why they keep cropping up in religious systems, which are at the lead of the attack zone, therefore they are the FIRST to fall.

Uh, no it's not. Sin and the fact of being sinners is at the heart of need for salvation. That's because your sect has taught you that sin is only sin when you 'do the external action.' That is not what Jesus or the Apostles taught about SIN. And even though you recite 'that we have sinned in...