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Presupposition actually means to take for granted that something is or is not in advance. It is assumed to be true beforehand. For example, you don't have to prove that the earth is round, orbiting or rotating anytime you talk about it in astronomy; you presuppose these (previously established)...

You say that "we as a community have deemed that murder is wrong". So you're arguing for subjective morality are you?

Maybe because he (she?) goes to church for social reasons and because volunteering has little to do with being Christian?

I'm sorry but what the heck are you talking about? Being intolerant of gays is not dissimilar to being intolerant of other races. You just said, "Christians choose to be intolerant to whoever we want as long as our little book says so! See, we're good!"

I'd be tempted to accuse you of hypocracy. What you said is essentially blind faith as well.

Erfan777 That's exactly what a Muslim, a Jew, a Hindu etc, would say. How do you know they're wrong? And remember, whatever you say, they will say. Pray and ask Allah for guidance. Seek him with all your heart. The true path to salvation is acceping Allah into your life. He wants you to be...

OK let's say I'm culturally neutral, an alien or perhaps a guy who's woken up from a long coma with no memory. 1) How can you convince/illustrate/prove to me that there is an intelligent force in the universe behind all things? 2) Given that there is, how can you convince me that this...

I'm sorry, I missed a lot of the discussion here...I do live in the southern hemisphere. :( I'll try to butt back in with some comments later but I'm rather enjoying this thread without me annoying people in it...do go on. :)

Erfan777 That's exactly what a Muslim, a Jew, a Hindu etc, would say. How do you know they're wrong? And remember, whatever you say, they will say. Pray and ask Allah for guidance. Seek him with all your heart. The true path to salvation is acceping Allah into your life. He wants you to be...

Apes don't get married? Adam and Eve weren't real? The ape minister married them? It's an allegory?

YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION TO ME AND ARE THUS GOING TO BE PUNISHED FOR ETERNITY! ETERNITY I TELLS YA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

More that I can't believe an intelligent person would truly believe in that. *shrug* And before you get too irate, it's often the obnoxious religionists that ram the threat of eternal damnation down people's throats which provoke reactions such as mine.

This thread is three parts crackpot, one part confusing and two parts hilarious. Two thumbs up. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

(from "The Bible 2: Son of God") And lo did a voice from the holy mountaintop: IT WAS ALL A JOKE. IT WAS A GUY WITH A MEGAPHONE ALL ALONG! And the masses were vaguely confused, and the guy named Yahweh had a good chuckle at his 5,000 year old joke.

My point is, the idea of hell is ridiculous. And for crying out loud, Dante's Inferno (aka the Divine COMEDY) is NOT scripture, even a filthy atheist like myself knows that. Also didn't the pope nix limbo (or was that another imaginary realm)? The reason you see it as a silly question is...

Meaningfully define 'impure' to me. Note that I'm not a Christian. Hell is an imaginary place used by organised religions to scare ordinary folk into toeing the party line, a little like Stalin's terror campaigns, though less subtle.

jmvervill Impure how? I can provide a rough outline. It is an imaginary place that religious organisations use to bully normal people into toeing the party line. It's not dissimilar to Stalin's terror campaigns, though less subtle.

You know Dante's not scripture right?

Aristotle didn't have faith in your god, he had faith in the Greek pantheon, if anyone.

Not in my edition. *wink*