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The context of this passage is a referral to the king of Babylon as presented in his pride, splendor and fall. However, it is to the power behind the evil Babylonian king that this is actually addressed. No mortal king would claim that his throne was above that of God or that he was like the...

AMEN, to all the above!!!

Ok, how do you conclude that Peniel was Jesus' name? From that one verse? How come then, that only three angels (Michael, Gabriel and Lucifer) were actually named in scriptures, but this one, Peniel, is not named as an angel? It says that Jacob named the place Peniel, cos He saw God's...

:tutu:thank you kind sir.....

Sweetie, of course we'll pray with you. We'll put on our bride's dresses and army boots......is that okay?;) Nothing like the prayer of a mother. :groupray: together with her girlfriends

LMHO...yes I know who you're talking about, SingleDad...hehe and he lives in WV...hehe. We actually are still in contact, he's my brother in Christ. Shame, he had a bad experience in the love field. Was so positive it was from the Lord, but turned not to be. He';s doing great otherwise. Luvs...

Michael, it still doesn't tell me that Jesus was called Peniel, the meaning of the word Peniel is "Face of God", and Jacob struggled with the Angel of the Lord (in this instance literally being God, because no-one can see the true face of God and live, God appeared to man many times as the Angel...

LMHO.oh my word, I almost fell off my chair, you're having me on are you? Peniel???? Where in the world do you find that? Peniel?

Please read Hebrews 1 prayerfully, and tell me what you understand about this scripture? 5. For which of the angels did God ever say, You are My Son today I have become Your Father? or again I will be his Father, and he will be my Son? 6. And again, when...

Then I'm correct in assuming that you don't think that the bible is the Word of God? That there are errors in it? That I shouldn't believe everything I read in it?

LMHO

Oh my word, you mean to tell me that for the rest of my life the gray is going to get more and I have to colour my hair???:eek: Oh well, we know what the Word says about gray hair and wisdom..something like that :P And it's David..... God bless you both!!! :clap:

Michael, I can't agree with you on this. Many places in the scriptures, especially the OT, there is mentioned the Angel of the Lord (and many places meaning the Lord Himself). Right through out scripture is mentioned angels. Now I prefer to believe the Word of God, than an exhaustive...

Sure, but will the chain be tied tight to the tree?

JJ, I praise God that you have come to place you have, seeking Him. All these wonderful people have given you some sound advice. You must remember that we were where you are now, didn't know where to start in the bible...heck, I remember my first book I read in the bible was Revelation ...LOL...

Thank you grammybear :wave: and hello to you!!!!

AFT, you still here? Care to dance? :kiss:

I'm just dandy thank you :pink:....how be you?

LOL.....nah, still single :P, actually told the Lord that if it's His will that I be single, then He must please fill that space that a husband would have..and if it's His will I do have a husband, then he must love the Lord more than he will love me. So basically I have placed that in the...

Um, I have something to say on this subject. Jesus was before all creation with God...... Michael being an archangel was created by God with all the other angels.... Jesus wasn't created by God, He is God, He was, and is and is to come. He always was there with God. Read Prov 8, and John 1...In...