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Nice Thread, the two questions discussed here. First, meaning of Revelation 3:18. Second, Is the second coming just around the corner. For the first question I think "Haindmaid for Jesus" video post #67 was great. Although I can't be dogmatic about the meaning I believe "in the name of allah"...

This view will give you problems with post and pre-wrath people. Perhaps your need to put the 7th seal rapture and the 70th week or day of the Lord to occur back to back is you only see 1 blackout or cosmic disturbance, when there are 5. one before, 3 during, and 1 after. I have studied 1...

No the 70th week begins with the signing of the covenant antichrist as 9:27 states. as for the Tribulation that is referenced in the first half of the 7 years Mat: 24:9 no mention of the 7 seal at all in 1 Thes 5??? what verse are you referring to. Many believe that the rapture and the start...

[quote=com7fy8;64816649] (3) Ones argue that God has not appointed us to wrath, and therefore He will not have us going through the trib. Well, what about the newborns, then, who will be in the trib.? Do you think they will not be safe from our Father's wrath? If they are safe, why wouldn't you...

Well I see the Old Straw-man approach here time and time again. Many not all come with a preconceived viewpoint then try to fit the Scriptures into the mold. Eisegesis if you ask me. A lot of presupposition and dogmatic assertions without the facts. When it comes to the Rapture two areas should...

So one purpose is that Jesus Promised the Church in (Rev 3:10) to Keep them from the period of trial (the Great Tribulation) that is about to fall upon the whole earth. So if you believe that you will be "protected" you are deceived because every earth dweller will suffer this wrath. It does not...

I know that some say that it is the Rapture that begins the Great tribulation. As a believer in the Rapture an a 7 year Tribulation. I read in the scripture that the Rapture will occur Before the Great tribulation or Pre In Daniel 9:27 we read that HE will make a FIRM Covenant with the many...

You have missed the point of Rev:3-10 The promise of the rapture is very much in this verse and it is this "Because you have kept my word I will keep you from the Hour of trial that is coming upon the whole world" The hour of trial in context is chapters 6-19 that is the period of trial that...

I do apologize for the insults that was wrong of me and shows my need for Jesus. Christ defines the 7 churches as the 7 candlesticks in Rev1. Agree or disagree? I have to say disagree the O.T. reference for these verses are in Exodus: "And thou shalt make the lamps thereof, seven...

HisDaughterJen Here is where we know Paul was speaking to the church, the body of believers: Do you see that? The gathering to the Lord is the departure (from the earth) just like "at home in the body is to be away from the Lord". Paul is using a simile just like he has in other scripture. That...

Zeke, Lay off the Kool-Aid Man this post was to jesusfreak not you. Nothing of what you said made any sense anyway. You have no scripture to back up any of your opinions. You have no idea what CONTEXT means. What is your definition of Context. I get it You're against the Rapture because we...

HisdaughterJen First you say, “I don't know how you can say that. II Thessalonians 2:5 Don't you remember that, when I was still with you, I told you these things? “Paul talked about the power of the church through the Holy Spirit a lot.” You have presupposed that Paul is...

Hello HisdaughterJen. I am sorry that you feel my argument is erroneous.But you need to show where the error is according to the scriptures. And I'm am prepared to show you why it is not. First of all, the verses you have quoted cannot be linked in any way to II Thessalonian 2 using the...

The reason Paul said “You know” in verses 5-7 is somewhat parenthetical, as Paul reminds them and us of the things he had taught them when he was still with them (verse 5). The key thing he had taught them was the fact that the takeover of the Jewish temple and the self declaration of deity will...

Jesusfreek, I agree and find your post most interesting the imminent return of Christ for His church. We find the Exhortation for this in Luke 21:28. After Jesus gave the apostles and outline of things to come (Olivet discourse) from there own day until the beginning of the Kingdom Jesus...

If the Great multitude is the Church just raptured, then of necessity this is only a partial rapture. Verses 13-17 state that the saints came out of the Great tribulation. This would exclude all church saints who have died since Acts 2 or who will die before the Great Tribulation. This shows...

Hismessenger The reasons I believe that your argument falls short is First. It violates the simple chronology of the book of Revelation. Second, that there is nothing in the passage that allows for that kind of transportation to the scriptures you have quoted. There are simply no exegetical...

That is so far from the truth. It’s nothing but a straw man argument. None of what you said is what I believe. Here is how I see it. It has always been a strong belief of mine that the death of Jesus was inevitable, for it was absolutely necessary for the atonement. Christ would have died even...

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In the universe of Revelation 3:10 that refer to a specific period of God’s prophetic plan “The hour of trial” which is another term for the Tribulation period Yes! For reasons I already gave. I believe that is God’s revealed Plan. I don’t see how this period (the...