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And you've never addressed exactly how the highly complex, transcontinental infrastructure that supports our civilization would be maintained with no central authority and 300M-odd people each doing their own thing. And with good reason: it couldn't be done. I've already posted ample evidence...

They'll just convince America that it's the poor and downtrodden who are responsible for all our problems.

And this just goes to buttress the point I made earlier: this whole "every person for themselves no one can tell King Me what do to" thingie has only worked--after a fashion, anyway--in pre-industrial, agrarian societies. Places with no public infrastructure to speak of in comparison to what we...

Face the truth: what some right-wingers here have advocated really isn't far from the scenario Belk laid out.

Look, if folks want to make the point that government can't guarantee perfect 100% safety and Utopia, fine, point taken. (I would think the fallibility of any human system would be self-evident, but fine, if you want to harp on it, point conceded.) However, just because a job can't be done...

Someone cue the laugh track. Yes, I know, I'll get reported for daring to post an image other than Pat Boone or June or Ward Cleaver. It's happened before. You know what? I really don't give a rip at this point in time. The moderation around here is about as fair and balanced as Fox News...

You, uh, missed my point. :D The point I was making was that the corporations would never have allowed Barack Obama anywhere near the White House if he wasn't loyal to them. I wasn't saying that Obama was standing up to them--to the contrary, he's just as much a corporate quisling as Bush II...

Until Glass-Steagall was repealed, we had a pretty safe banking system. Failures in banks were rare and always contained quickly. So the government did actually help bring about a high degree of safety. But of course the libertarian/Right crowd wants it to be every person for themselves, so...

A quaint American idea. Kind of like...oh, freedom to assemble, free and fair elections, the right to collective bargaining, etc. You conservatives seem to have no problem forcing American workers to compete against countries that don't have civil rights. So why should American companies get...

Nah, not into robbing banks.

Investing in the stock market is different from putting your money into a bank. People (well, most people anyway) understand there's an element of risk involved in buying stocks. That in so doing you are placing a bet on the future performance and prosperity of a company. Reasonable people...

Of course if you compare the standards of living of the plebs there with the professional upper-middle class here, America will look better. America ain't all it's cracked up to be. We had a good run for many years, but we're on the downwards slope now.

The distinction was always just for public consumption. Every President from Nixon on has sought to maximize State power. Most notably, Clinton, Bush II, and now Obama.

Sorry, but just because a system works well for you does not make it better. Stalinist Russia worked out pretty good for the Communist Party elite. Did that make it a "better system?"

For the rich, yes. For the rest of us...that's debatable. But then again, conservative and libertarian politics has always been about exalting the rich.

Pretty much. Every President from Reagan onwards has been a corporate front man anyway. The faces change, the rackets never do.

She can rail against liberals, talk in a down-home folksy sort of way, smile pretty, and she can shoot wolves from a helicopter. By today's standards, she's in like Flynn. That's all the resumé some think you need to run an industrial superpower.

Because that's what we're down to as a nation. It's what we have left. It's the best we can do.

No matter who wins, we lose.

Voting Democratic means voting for corporate control almost as much as voting Republican. I reiterate: the media in America are corporate media. On any of the big networks, you're hearing what the corporations want you to hear.