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  1. TertiusC

    Shavuot - June 12th

    Why are you leaving out verse 16 which tells us when we start counting and when it will end. This seems to be what EVERYONE is doing. Why ignore verse 16? Add verse 16 and I'll respond if you still same question. (About June 12th)
  2. TertiusC

    Shavuot - June 12th

    No one has yet to show why they thins ambiguous. PLEASE show me.
  3. TertiusC

    Shavuot - June 12th

    I'm all for debate, that is why I made this thread, but saying "x says so" proves nothing. Please show that what you state is in fact true instead of just stating it. Once you've done this you can also then interpret Leviticus 23:16 for us to mean that Shavuot can be any other day but the...
  4. TertiusC

    Shavuot - June 12th

    Please tell me how it's confusing. I would love to hear your explanation, I might be wrong and then I'm missing out. YHWH (1 Kings 8:43) has set forth the times and seasons and we need to celebrate them for when He set them forth. If our hearts say "oh I want to please YHWH" then why are we...
  5. TertiusC

    Shavuot - June 12th

    I obviously don't really care if anyone thinks there is an ambiguity or not. If verse 15 is taken solely by itself then I see this ambiguity clearly. But interpretation is never one verse alone. If just verse 16 is added we remove the one part of the ambiguity and the following facts emerge...
  6. TertiusC

    Shavuot - June 12th

    How would you interpret the passage? Or how does anyone interpret it to mean that Shavuot (A commanded feast) should be on any other day than the first day of the week.
  7. TertiusC

    Shavuot - June 12th

    I'm not the only one with the opinion. Have you tested the opinion of those that you follow? Obeying YHWH is the goal here, if brothers disagree, they need to not create barriers but find the truth. Again, saying "please tell me why it is on the 8th/9th" shouldn't be that hard. I'd like to...
  8. TertiusC

    Shavuot - June 12th

    I wouldn't say that this is why, merely this is an opinion that some have. I tend not to agree with it.
  9. TertiusC

    Shavuot - June 12th

    People following others instead of scripture really saddens me. I don't see any reason for having it on the 8th/9th. Can anyone help me on this? I.e. if you are celebrating it on the 8th/9th can you tell me why.
  10. TertiusC

    Shavuot - June 12th

    From what I read yes. I'd love to be proven wrong if I am, but I feel that way about most things.
  11. TertiusC

    Shavuot - June 12th

    Well, there are two. 1. When you start counting - Lev. 23:15. 2. When you stop counting - Lev. 23:16. I understand debate about the first since there are two days that could also be called Sabbaths in the feast (first and last day), but the second clears up that debate. Is that what you're...
  12. TertiusC

    Shavuot - June 12th

    By counting seven Sabbaths after the Sabbath in the the Feast of Unleavened Bread.
  13. TertiusC

    Shavuot - June 12th

    Not a Karaite. Just wanted to know who else follows Leviticus 23:16. I do know that the Jewish Calendar has it in the middle of the week this year, I am celebrating as per the above and was wondering if anyone else here does :)
  14. TertiusC

    Shavuot - June 12th

    Leviticus 23:16 - Until the morrow after the 7th Sabbath. Who else is following Leviticus 23:16 to Celebrate Shavuot on the 12th? And if not, why not?
  15. TertiusC

    Submitting Torah Observance To New Covenant Principles

    I understand you respect the man, but his analogy is flawed and his assertion that the Galatians once observed Torah before they turned to Messiah is mistaken. One's teacher teaches one how to live (in this example), should you then ignore what you are taught? The analogy falls down very...
  16. TertiusC

    Do you follow both Torahs?

    I honour you for your humble and gracious comment. I really enjoyed it. I do agree with you on the points that you make. I don't have any problem with interpretation. I will not hold interpretation above Torah or even next to it. That is my main stance. Also, Talmud contains...
  17. TertiusC

    Submitting Torah Observance To New Covenant Principles

    I don't necessarily agree, but I'm willing to discuss. If our Jewish friends mind that we obey OUR Torah? I understand when this goes to the line of purely extrabiblical interpretational observances. But I don't really care about those as I've said. The Torah belongs to us, Romans 11. I'm...
  18. TertiusC

    Do you follow both Torahs?

    Rose, I know what point you are trying to make. Next time, just state it instead of trying to trap me, that would be appreciated. Then we can have a rational discussion about it. I don't deem a list of Torah Laws unapplicable. I start with this 1. the blood sacrifice for sin. Do you...
  19. TertiusC

    Do you follow both Torahs?

    Can you specifically, since you so stated, quote where I said that there are some laws that I do not like and some which I dismiss. With "do not like" post all that you have seen. With "which I dismiss" post those which still apply, i.e. sin sacrifices do not apply. Since you wish to say that...