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    AD66-70: The Day the Son of Man was revealed

    Hey P70! :wave: you might be waiting 2000+ years for that, as it's hard to push aside the truth, though some sure try. Rev 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ...
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    1 peter 5 : she who is in Babylon ?

    Brian45, thanks for an honest question - I contributed an honest answer and have been summarily warned [how very sad is that] - I don't know what you think that but so much for chrisitian charity. Anyway, from one Aussie to another, blessings mate! davo
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    Isaiah 30:25

    G'day a4c, there was no "Rivers and streams of waters" flowing from "every high mountain" nor from "every high hill" when, or as a result of the collapse of the WTC buildings - so no, Isa 30:25 has absolutely nothing what so-ever to do with that trajedy. davo
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    1 peter 5 : she who is in Babylon ?

    I'm inclined to agree with the above - and many futurist's likewise agree. Just as in Rev 11:8 we find Jerusalem described as "Sodom" = immorality, and "Egypt" = persecution, so also is Jerusalem described as "Babylon" = wanton idolatry. This accords with Peter's description of...
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    Is baptism of the DEAD biblical?

    What Paul mentioned had nothing to do with any gnostic or otherwise proxy practice - Paul was relating to the ministry of the firstfruits church of the "this generation" [Mt 23-24] time frame 30-70AD prior the Christ's parousia, in the outworking of the salvation brought through the...
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    Welcome Preterists and Futurists! Let's hash it out.

    1Thess 4:16-17 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air...
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    Preterists: Are they ALL in one place?

    Hey Ed, the New Heaven and New Earth is of course the New Creation - "if any man be in Christ he is a new creation, the old has past away." 2Cor 5:17. davo
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    Welcome Preterists and Futurists! Let's hash it out.

    G'day Ed :wave: lots of good questions there mate. Folk who hold to "covenant eschatology" most definitely, like your self and everybody else, have moments where we experience the pains tears and sorrows of this earthly life - that's normal. What the apostle John refers to in Rev has to do...
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    a preterist question

    G'day Michael :wave: "He believes, as do I, that the Olivet Discourse is referring to the fall of the Jewish Age" Michael, since you believe the "Olivet Discourse" [as we have it in Mt Mk & Lk], you would then also agree that "this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as...
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    A Challenge to Futurists

    G'day verizon1 :wave: Although the Sadducees rejected the notion of a resurrection, their concept of it was however the same as that of their fellow Pharisees -a physical event, hence their "literalistic" moralistic question in Lk 20:27-36. This was in keeping with the common though...
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    A Challenge to Futurists

    Hey Jason, with reference to Isa 51:16, verse 13 is also very important -'Young's Literal Interpretation' brings out the verbal tense of the action of creating in the present tense -an action in the process of occuring: Isaiah 51:13 And thou dost forget Jehovah thy maker, Who is...
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    Preterist interpretation of events?

    G'day Jason :)  how are ya mate! Try this link for some of David Curtis' sermons, and a few others. www.audiowebman.org/bbc/audios.htm davo
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    Preterist interpretation of events?

    Mandy, are you fair dinkum :scratch: or just needing to say something? 2Tim 3:15-16 [NKJV] 15and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures [OT], which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture [including NT] is given by...
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    Preterist interpretation of events?

    G'day chaps! :wave: Yes exactly right. "The Scriptures" as mentioned in the NT are the OT writings -these were those that: He, having opened their minds, comprehended the Scriptures Lk 24:45, they were: ...the Scriptures ...which testify of Me Jn 5:39, which is seen in: Philip...
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    Preterist interpretation of events?

    One thing is for sure, when prophecy is reefed and ripped out of its biblical time frame and context and crassly applied according to our world view and time in history, then indeed it can and does [look at all the evidence] mean anything. In the days of Oliver Cromwell they were living, as they...
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    A Challenge to Futurists

    James, this is the essence of what the preterist postion is saying about Matt 24:3  "sunteleias tou aeonos" "Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the...
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    A Challenge to Futurists

    G'day verizon1 :wave: The most probable explanation is that after the initial generation of believers died out, and persecution was still previlent against the church [now more so by Rome], believers started reading the promises of deliverence made to the disciples in terms of their...
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    A Challenge to Futurists

    Yes sir!! the Law of Death i.e., condemnation was swallowed up in the Law of LIFE in Christ Jesus!! :clap: Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. davo
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    Is this TRUE?????

    G'day smaller :wave: I'm not sure if I'm reading you correctly, but my take on things is that the "age" of the old covenant under which Paul was writing, though coming to an end was still being practised [and of no justifying value], and this from Paul's perpective of writing about...
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    temple destroyed??

    G'day Davester :wave: here's the link to the book "The Temples That Jerusalem Forgot" on the Earnest L. Martin website: http://askelm.com/books/book008.htm Imagine the peace that could ensure if Israel could realise there is no need to be fighting over the Dome of the Rock -seeing as its not...