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    Just be quiet, go back to the kitchen and do whatever I say.

    Sorry I'm party to the spoiling of the agreement-fest! Though what I'm mostly disagreeing about is something other than the main thrust of the OP. Still, I too am finding a lot to agree with, long may it continue ^_^ ! Anyway, I've been a little poorly today so it's time to tuck myself in...
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    Just be quiet, go back to the kitchen and do whatever I say.

    I agree. That is why when I first asked Luther to cite his sources I also asked what primary evidence they based their research on. That would be stuff like your 'raw data'; documents or objects that were produced at the time in question. None of the disputed articles quoted any primary sources...
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    Just be quiet, go back to the kitchen and do whatever I say.

    Wow, you must really accept anything you find on the internet as true. I'm simply following accepted academic practice. I'd trust a recognised, peer-reviewed historian over a lawyer if I wanted to know the history of marriage and divorce. The lawyer might know the law but he won't know how...
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    Just be quiet, go back to the kitchen and do whatever I say.

    I likely can't find you any sort of free resources because academic sources aren't as a rule posted free of charge without an Athens, or similar, log-in. Academics and academic publications generally want some recompense for their work and to minimise the risk of plagiarism. Non-academic...
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    Just be quiet, go back to the kitchen and do whatever I say.

    Absolutely.
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    Just be quiet, go back to the kitchen and do whatever I say.

    I might still disagree and as long as I had good sources to support my view that would be an acceptable position. And vice versa, of course. Historians don't always agree! Hypothetical situation: if I posted an article or series of articles on the internet supporting what I believe about...
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    Just be quiet, go back to the kitchen and do whatever I say.

    Then please show me which article had a list of sources at the bottom because I did care to look, several times, and couldn't find any. Seriously, you used sources such as personal articles by unverifiable authors and lawyers advertising pages in a research paper? Wow, we'd be kicked off the...
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    Just be quiet, go back to the kitchen and do whatever I say.

    Actually I agree to a point. Except that being aware of what happened in the past should inform our present and future. So we have, as you say, the laws and the programmes because we are aware of the wrong things that used to happen and don't want to perpetuate them. And for me it's about...
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    Just be quiet, go back to the kitchen and do whatever I say.

    No, sorry, none of the articles on divorce quote sources.Two have them have authors but neither of them have any credentials at all that I can verify online. None of them, apart from the Egyptian article, are citeable. I don't believe by posting what you have that you've proved anything...
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    Marriage Question

    I can't comment on whether or not your wife is a good mother, only you can say for sure. If she's an appalling mother, and your children are well aware of it and their relationship is difficult then ok, but if there's any chance that they have anything approaching a good relationship with her...
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    Just be quiet, go back to the kitchen and do whatever I say.

    Since apparently you don't understand what constitutes a valid academic source or realise that just about anyone can post anything on the internet .... there's just one article there that I would recognise as of academic standing, the one about equal rights in Egypt. That is very interesting...
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    Just be quiet, go back to the kitchen and do whatever I say.

    Seriously Luther I would love to know the sources you have used to reach these conclusions as they pretty much fly in the face of the research I've done. Are they textbooks? If so, what primary sources do they reference? I'm not asking to be disingenous; historical evidence is food and drink to...
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    Just be quiet, go back to the kitchen and do whatever I say.

    Not your point I know but I just wanted to highlight that women have done these things too. It's only relatively recently in history that women and children working in mines was disallowed. Also protecting your family by fighting in war doesn't necessarily preclude domestic violence. Or...
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    Just be quiet, go back to the kitchen and do whatever I say.

    I'd be interested to know what you actually mean by the bolded part and if you can give me some references. I've studied this as a research student of history very recently and the extent to which it happened has actually shocked me, and I don't mean because it was less than I expected to find...
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    Christians convicted in "gay discrimination" case

    Judging the tenure of your posts, and because I know you to some extent, I'm thinking your last sentence was to mean that within the discrimination that the law does allow, ie. against smokers, it is down to personal opinion what is ok and what isn't. And not that personal opinion should make...
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    Marriage Question

    MalloriesDad, this sounds a very similar situation to that my sister-in-law is experiencing just now. Her husband told her in September that he'd been unhappy for four years and finally decided he couldn't stay married to her (three months after her beloved father died). Absolutely the first...
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    Just be quiet, go back to the kitchen and do whatever I say.

    In a related vein I can personally recall that my mother, now in her early 70s, wasn't legally allowed to enter into a financial transaction without the permission of my father. It was assumed in law that the male was the breadwinner and made the financial decisions for the household. Seems...
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    Christians convicted in "gay discrimination" case

    I agree to a point but would it then be ok for, say, a shopkeeper to refuse to serve someone (s)he knew, or suspected, was gay? Is the B&B more like a private club or a customer service provider?
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    Christians convicted in "gay discrimination" case

    I'm somewhat conflicted. For me it all hinges on whether a B&B is part and parcel of the owner's home or whether it is a separately run business. If the latter then I struggle to see how one can discriminate on any single basis without leaving the door open to discrimination on any other basis...
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    Guys I got a ?!

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