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Parousia 70 in fact, EVERYONE who is saved, is a sinner! Just because sin exists, dosen't mean it has any power. :clap: Good point Parousia. However our futurists brothers seem to forget they two are sinners saved by God's grace. As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not...

Thunder Hello parousia, GW and Mami, Assuming that you all believe in the same theory, that the 1000 years of Christs reign has already come and gone, and now we are living in the New Earth, when did Christ fulfill the following verses?? I think the whole world missed it, and even our...

Willils OOPS, I did it again, by your definition, when I quote scripture which contradicts what you believe to be a 'clear' scripture then I am 'adding to scripture'. Wow, that's really a creative definition. Good luck trying to convince anyone else to accept your position. Have you ever...

Willis G.W. and 1Mamifestation70a.d seem to be confused as to what it really means to 'add to scripture' or 'take away from scripture'. Hi Willis When one 'add to scripture' or takes away from scripture is when God clearlly says somthing 'will or will not be done. "A Little while longer...

quote: Originally posted by Willis Deal Matt. 23:24 'This generation' is not the same greek phrase as 'This generation' in Matt. 24. In chapter 23 it is apparent that the judgement should be fulfilled during the generation of the hearers. In chapter 24 a different phrase is used G.W...

Willis In short, I can question my understanding of God's word, in fact, it is necessary to do this on a continual basis. Rather than force God's word to conform to my understanding I must force my understanding to conform to God's word. Well brother Willis if you really mean what you...

Willis I find it strange that the only terms which you don't find elastic are terms which you believe indicate immediacy, yet every other event can be massaged to fit your viewpoint. You also prohibit God from fulfilling prophecy in BOTH a symbolic way (such as you and p70 have presented) and...

Shane I'm sorry, but the notion that we must use a strict, literal interpratation of the 1000 year "time frame" sure sounds strange coming from someone who chooses to stretch and elasticize "shortly, soon, coming quickly, about to be, at hand, etc, etc," into 2000+years. If 1000 years is...

Shane There is a timeline explicit in Rev 20. I cannot be convinced to ignore . Now I can agree with you on that. There was a timeline or timeframe in which these things had to be fulfilled and it cannot be ignored (Rev. 3; 6:17; 22:7,10, 12, 20)

Shane I note in Rev 21 the new earth is described as having no more sea. Perhaps this is the type of detail that will catch your eye. Hi Shane The term sea is symbolic of the gentiles nations like the earth is symbolic for the people of Israel. The term no more sea means no more...

Shane I have already pointed this out to you. There is a timeline explicit in Rev 20. I cannot be convinced to ignore that on the basis of the word "earth" being missing from a spot where you seem to be convinced it is required. Christ returns, reigns 1000 years, Satan is released...

Shane Perhaps you assume too much. Also, since the book of the Revelation is after all a divine revelation, one would expect to perhaps learn a few new things there. Thanks though for you're concern. We should all try to help one another for sure. If I assume the reign of Christ on the...

Shane In their early childhood we are taught by some child psychologists that babies lack what they call a sense of "permanence". That is to say, once something is gone from their sight, it is forgotten until the next time they see the thing again. Apparently this affliction is not unique...

Shane There's a whole little story line there whhere Satan is bound for 1000 years and then Christ reigns on this present earth for 1000 years and then Satan is loosed and this present earth passes away. It may be figurative but whoever keeps saying it's not even there needs to be aware of...

Willis All flesh sees jesus at the same time, when all men who ever lived have been resurrected and stand before God. This is twice I've given you the meaning and the fulfillment. Willis I don't wont your understanding of the verse. I would like to know what the Bible says about the...

Willis Isaiah is talking about Christ. I don't see how you can say that Isaiah's prophecy ends at Jesus birth, or his crucifixion, or ascension or is only his first coming. It is giving details about Jesus which includes Eliah (John T. Baptist). I've shown how the verses can have a literal...

Willis 42 But Isaiah 40:5 is physical and literal. Isaiah doesn't say that 'all flesh shall see the FIRST manifestation of Christ', in fact, the old testament doesn't make distinctions between the manifestations of Christ. You pointed out (correctly) that Isaiah didn't see two...

Willis Ok, I'll bite. No I didn't see jesus when he was manifested in the flesh. In Isaiah chapter 40 it tell us about the coming of John the Baptist and the manifestion or reveal of the Lord. The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare you the way of the LORD, make...

Willis To make absolutely sure you don't misunderstand me... YES!! In order for the prophecies of Jesus' coming to be fulfilled then Jesus has to visably appear on a visible cloud to a very large number of people. Ok Willis I understand. My next question to you then would be. Did "you...

Willis BUT you don't have a Peter, or Paul, or John or ANYONE who says 'I SAW Jesus returning on the clouds and fulfilling what was written, Willis do you really believe anyone has to really literaly physicaly see Jesus return on a literal cloud before John's revelation can be fulfilled...