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Lucas, I knew this would happen after I left so I couldn’t resist checking back on this thread. 1. Post 202: Thanks for the link but I guess you did not read it yourself. Did you even see the intelligent intervention in the programming, or do you simply pretend that it did it on it’s...

Well folks, it has been 12 days. I really do have to attend to other business so I will have to bow out of this thread. I am trying to learn the Thai language and I find I am spending my time on these types of debates while neglecting that. So I have reread much of the thread and I think that...

Come to think of it I think that time must have asembled all the chemicals together to make that old rusty truck I pass each day on the way to work. I'm sure there was no forcing involved. In other words; atheism is based on absurdity.

Yeah I know, given enough time all things are possible. Or so says he who cannot answer the questions. Time solves all the problems. How convenient.

Someone asked about "forcing" chemicals: I am talking about the gathering of specific chemicals and putting them together in one place and subjecting them to various forms of energy etc. This is how you make plastic for example. Forcing is done by intelligent beings (humans) so it is often...

I thought that you and I already agreed that there was more to the information in life than is contained in DNA? Maybe it was someone else but anyway I think that most people know that it is the entire system that produces the information. Without the translation mechanism there really is no...

I am not trying to cut you off and I think most of your questions are legitimate. I simply do not have time to engage in a debate on the nature of God. I am trying to finish the one I have started and keep it on topic. If this helps, I will answer the basic problem I think you have with the God...

Finally, I do not have time to spend on this debate because I really do have another life. I will check back on this thread in a couple of days so please make your question to the point and please read the thread first. The topic here is the origin of information (as I defined it earlier) and...

The nylon bug and "glitches" in the program: If God was involved in the creation of life or at least in the initial programming of it. (I speak for the sake of argument.) Then there is no reason to think that he abandoned his creation to the forces of nature. A new food product (nylon) is...

As far as the book being entirely scientific I made no claims that it was, as I explained in the preface. It is a book about atheism and theism with scientifc support for theism. And I certainly am not going to engage in a theological discussion here about what God was or was not thinking and...

Thanks for creating a strawman lucas but we are trying to make a real man here. :) If you agree that this is an information problem then you should have no problem demonstrating that intelligent communication can take place on a computer without the aid of an intelligent programmer. That is...

So many questions and I have to go to work but I will briefly touch on some of them before I go. The nylon bug: This is variation within an already programmed system. New enzymes are formed everyday just as a computer can form new information from properly programmed software. The...

Intelligent Design is the scientific response to naturalism. Materialism or naturalism assumes that physical matter is the only reality in the universe and that everything else, including feeling, mind, thought and will can be explained in terms of physical laws. Intelligent Design (ID) on the...

Right, materialism is always indicated. That is the problem with your view of science. You always assume a materialistic solution so facts cannot change your mind. It is a one sided approach to reality therefore it is not an honest search for reality but rather a confirmation of preconceived...

Well why don't you read some of the threads on other topics on this forum? There is plenty of evidence for God but you won't find it mentioned in scientific papers because he is considered irrelevant to the knowledge of man.

He believes that the present models are only good for "treading in place". His conclusion is "...Thus, the question of how the hard and software here came into being is no less of a mystery than that of the genetic code." (p189) I do not recal if he provided a way to measure the information as I...

Yeah, a "evolution did it" argument is always much better if you are an atheist. And obviously you don't need to read up on anything because you are already convinced and no further fact will convince you regardless. And of course he thinks that DNA has an intriinsic value other than what we...

Here is an excerpt from his book on origin of natural codes (p 188): "But how did all these optimized and stringent codes of biological communication come about? Here we are up against one of the great enigmas of biology, which thus far has defied all efforts of penetration. Darwinian...

Who don't you read the book written by the atheist Werner Loewenstein: The Touchstone of Life; Molecular Information, Cell Communication And The Foundations of Life. You obviously do not understand communication within biological organisms or you would not keep referring to "laymans" analogies...

The "value judgment" that is needed is not which chemicals or molecules reproduce better. But, what causes an information system to evolve without an awareness of the meaning of the interactive componants. If a system evolved as you said we end up with one or more "words" (codons). Now let's say...