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Well Balaam knew that he couldn't curse Israel, yet he taught Balak how to have Israel curse itself. Church leaders could easily do the same thing by saying we should accept those that swing, that is between them and God...

They didn't gain a right, just approval. Only God grants rights, government can only approve (make it legal in a civil law sense) or disapprove (make illegal). Laws are not morals.

I am in particular referring to ministers that say we should be fine with these alternate lifestyles, not the people engaged in them.

:blush:Thanks guys.

Ones that go against orthodox belief. Can be rather broad of course. Let's use the example of swingers. I am making a distinction between struggles in areas and embracing of the lifestyle. Nice to see you SP. :)

But I have a few things against you, because you have there some who hold the teaching of Balaam, who kept teaching Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols and to commit acts of immorality. Question: Do you think that the acceptance of...

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Because, you know, Israel!

I think I know a good way to test the signs, listen to what the person is saying first. True signs follow solid teaching.

If there are moral absolutes, that means there is a moral giver, by definition God. That is what the world hates, God.

Come on froggy, we all know that some sin is ok in the church. After all, we turn the cheek for unethical business people (it is just business), adulterers (just love em), abusive leadership (touch not), but gays, well not in MY CHURCH.

Lust and attraction are not the same thing. I can want a beer, or I can lust after it and be a drunkard. I can want food, or lust after it and be a glutton, I can be attracted to a woman, or lust after one. Same sex attraction is deeply complex and I know many that struggle with it, I know...

BTW, in case this hasn't been pointed out, it is the Tournament of Roses Parade, not the Rose Bowl Parade.

Well, I don't really know until I read it correct? Could be deer, bobcat, bear, beaver, etc.

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Merry Christmas everyone, see you next year!

You too SP!

Can of worms, opened.

Agreed, I feel that oral tradition is suspect, that is all.

I would say that your assertion they were created full grown adults is not verifiable by scripture. Certainly they were not babes, most likely they were sexually and mentally mature enough to be considered what we would call today adolescent, but they might not have been fully physically mature...