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Sex is procreation. It is strictly for the production of children. well, then my sex within marriage is sinful then. right now my wife and i have no intention of having kids, but we do enjoy having sex with each other.

I don't think you need to get on bignorsk about "representing what the LCMS" thinks since he's not in it HE USED LCMS CHURCH LINKS. if his interpretation of the documents was incorrect deal with that. he posted links to what your church has said they confessed.

if you go back and look at my post, i never said the law doesn't matter. it's a comparison statement saying what is true and what isn't. in the untrue statement i said it doesn't matter.

Actually the Law always has the power to condemn us. That's why we're still 100% sinner. Because the Law so thoroughly condemns me to death, I must look to Christ. I must die to that Law now and let Christ be born in me. That saves me from the law. If the law could no longer condemn me, then I...

I don't know that it's something we should be striving to understand. Luther (and everyone who has studied him) studied scripture and wrestled with this. I think that we should study it trying to see if we can see something that has been missed, but be willing to accept Luther's conclusion if we...

While I do agree there is a degree of respect due to him, it is only so much as we would show to another Christian...remember the ELCA's ideology of pastors: they are but Christians with a specific call...not a higher call...any other Christian's call is just as significant, important, and due...

Yeah, but I think the thing people need to remember is that not everyone has the exact understanding or the depth of understanding as the majority. There needs to be understanding and compassion from people who don't like what someone says or how they say it...as long as they're not breaking...

honestly, i do have to agree with Marv on this one. There is a lot of what he says. I have seen several posts where you try to explain what you want to get across and people insist on using their "proper" language and phrasing. On the other hand though, it wouldn't hurt to brush up on some basic...

Just because a church is ELCA doesn't mean they automatically focus on the wrong things in worship. Many of the more conservative churches in the Midwest focus on worshiping properly. I would not attend the churches I do/have if this were not the case. However, the posters are right who have...

While some of the Luther works you cite would seem to support this, you forget that in the whole body of his work we learn that yes, we are made completely divine in Christ...but that we are still also completely sinner. This moves to the sanctification thing: that we can work towards...

Actually, every worship should be a focus on the death of ourselves so that Christ can live in us. I'm not saying this to be difficult, but when you worship and have proper Law/Grace in the preaching, scripture and liturgy...that's really all that the service is about...

Ok, Luther073082, you're kind of doing the same thing in this thread that happened on your poll. The thread is about a poll. If you don't think either are a threat, then you should just say so and let it be...arguing about a technicality of him not including the "right option" isn't reaelly in...

I see where you're coming from and I'm honestly really more in agreement with you than those who were ragging on you tons. So yeah, sorry man.

The big argument came around because Luther"assorted numbers" used the word "Jew" differently than others understand the usage. Here's the thing: the OP explained how he was using it. Rather than just accept the difference of usage and work from there, everyone just used it as a confrontation...

I just finished reading through the thread too. Again. I think you were fine. It was simply a question of, "if we sainted people, would we saint martin luther or not." You simply gave a brief (as would be expected in the poll option) example of some of his foibles. The way I see it, you didn't...

You weren't really responding to everything. We had a thread here where people were discussing other Lutheran Synods (so that would be the Topic of the Thread) and before we could get through a couple of pages, you were here to tell us why we're all wrong. I don't care if you talk, but the topic...

I will commune with any Christian who will commune with me (providing they agree w/ the apostle's creed). I also will not take communion at a table I am not welcome at. So I won't commune in a RCC church, or a LCMS church because they do not want me. If someone who is of a Closed Communion...

Cause they are the cartoonification (like personification)of Law and Grace? Nah, they're not really. Oh, and it might help people clarify that Pinky and the Brain were also shorts in the show Animaniacs. I think though, that the best example in that show is Buttons (the dog). Buttons is Christ...

Pinky and the Brain Rule! Well, they rule their cage at least. In regards to how many conservatives there are in the ELCA, just look at synod votes. You'll see a large number of the synods vote more conservatively than is seen at the National Assemblies. As far as the biblical nature of Closed...

I doubt the call process will take you that long. When we transitioned pastors 11 years ago we had a pastor fill the vacancy and were without a pastor for about a year. You'll be fine since you still have two on staff. I wouldn't worry too much about your situation. We're starting our call...