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Any who.... meanwhile, God is trying to prove him/her self as the consummate engineer, and not doing a passable job. Black death. Not very impressive. 4000+ genetic diseases -- not very impressive. Waiting on something to change my mind...

Don't see it in the forth seal. Talks about death due to sword. This has nothing to do with plague.

Chapter/ verse? Just curious mind you.

I was not aware the black death was documented in the Bible. References?

It was a perfect storm Sarah. And no human knew what to do, even the religious elite. Why? Because they did not understand nor accept the natural world, tried to blame it on the supernatural and all because they did not understand nor accept that magic had nothing to do with what was...

The question was is God an "amateur". We, as humans, have been "fixing" God's mistakes for thousands of years. Case in point -- the Black Death in 1348-1351 that killed tens of millions of humans in Europe (about 1/2 the population, by some estimates). Where were God's heroes then? The Pope...

Okay, everyone, get a grip. This is not a thread about whether a "god" exists or not. This is an evolution versus creationism forum. If you're assuming that 1) a god exists and 2) evolution must be rubbish then you are sadly delusional. So, let's get on point with the thread. Is "god" an...

That's why we have 4000+ known genetic diseases. Really neat, huh?

I don't see the problem here, and I'm an atheist. If I were to take a Biblical creation class, I'm obligated to answer test questions based on what I'm taught in class, not what I "believe" (and I don't "believe" in creationism). However, if in such a class I'm asked a who created the heavens...

Sara, I've read through this thread and rather than debate with all the arguments and positionings made here, I would leave you with one thought -- "It doesn't matter what you believe, it only matters what is." We can believe what we want, imagine what we want, or distort reality how we want...

Thanks for the link. Interesting paper. Most of these types of arguments are easily rebutted because just about any "half" a feature is better than non at all. Half an arm? Rather have it than none at all. Rudimentary eye? Better than none at all. Immature brain? Better than none at all...

"Design" is a human concoction. Nature knows nothing of design. That is the critical concept IDers don't get.

And your point, in a couple of sentences or so, is? Btw, I met Henry Morris in 1972, attending one of his early Scientific Creationism seminars (I was a Christian way back then). I found him to be sincere and engaging.

Who cares? Does that answer your challenge?

What does the OP have to do with evolution or creationism? Have I accidently slipped into the wrong forum?

NDE involves an experience where the brain is dying. Unconsciousness does not. This is a significant difference.

Okay dokay AV. Once again, ignoring reality I see.

Forget all the thermodynamic calculations. The most rainfall, EVER, I could find was 72 inches in a 24-hour period. So, let's say this happens for 40 days all across the earth (keeping in mind, the record is in a SINGLE area -- Foc-Foc, La Reunion Island) then this is pretty simple 6 feet * 40 =...

Well, since we don't have any divinely inspired art, that's pretty much all we have, wouldn't you agree?

Ummm, yeah me too but I know bull excrement when I see it.