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  1. holeinone

    Repentence vs. Penance

    One only can justify that belief if one believes that man saves himself by his behavior and his works . Then one can have and lose their salvation 100 times a day. God must get confused about who is in and who is out. Scripture interprets scripture. God is not the God of confusion Rev 3:5 He...
  2. holeinone

    Protestant Scholars agree - Peter is the Rock in Matthew 16:18

    I agree. Was Peter the rock? Perhaps Luther was God ordained to rescue the church Peter was the rock of :)
  3. holeinone

    Repentence vs. Penance

    We all deserve hell, we were born deserving hell. ALL sin is an abomination to God . Look How He lists them Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which...
  4. holeinone

    Repentence vs. Penance

    That is for another thread if you would like to discuss it
  5. holeinone

    Repentence vs. Penance

    TLF it is your church that makes the distinction in temporal forgiveness and eternal forgiveness not mine . The wages of sin is death, we do not confuse salvation with the consequences of our sin.
  6. holeinone

    Repentence vs. Penance

    The Holy Spirit convicts the elect of their sin and brings then to repentance. We are indeed to repent our sin and ask Gods forgiveness. As the children of God we may now come boldly before the throne of God for mercy, we need not go through men to seek the forgiveness of the Lord. We have a...
  7. holeinone

    Repentence vs. Penance

    Like you have ignored the Catechism and Catholic teachings :) "The poor souls in purgatory still have the stains of sin within them. This means two things. First, it means that the souls have not yet paid the temporal penalty due, either for venial sins, or for mortal sins whose guilt was...
  8. holeinone

    Repentence vs. Penance

    Do you think God is an indian giver? If our salvation rested on our own righteousness I would agree that we could never keep it or re earn it. But our salvation and righteousness is based on Christ not on our worth or work. He preserves and keeps those that are His . We do not keep...
  9. holeinone

    Repentence vs. Penance

    It does not pay for your salvation but you can not come into Gods presence without purifying yourself. Is that purification done by the ritual prayers ordered by the priest? The flames of Purgatory ? This is the name by which he will be called: The LORD Our Righteousness. (Jer.23:6) Christ...
  10. holeinone

    Repentence vs. Penance

    It is God that makes things Holy, one can not make oneself holy .Man can never purify himself, if he could Christ would not have been necessary . What purpose did Christ serve Teresa? Why did he have to come sinless? Why did he have to live a sinless life? Why did the just have to die...
  11. holeinone

    Repentence vs. Penance

    So purgatory is DISCIPLINE ? The purpose of discipline is to correct our behavior, are you saying that God is just disciplining us in purgatory so we do not sin in heaven? Can the saved sin in heaven? We are disciplined HERE on earth, we feel the consequences of our sin, but that is...
  12. holeinone

    Repentence vs. Penance

    See as a Protestant, I believe that Christ paid for my sins and when I came to the cross for mercy He granted it and declared me righteous. (That I have a right standing with God) . That is something I could never ever accomplish on my own, I could not buy it or earn it . Christ took the...
  13. holeinone

    Repentence vs. Penance

    Here is what I asked Let me understand temporal does not mean eternal consequences right ? The temporal consequences for sin can be seen all around us and catholics who regularly go to the priest are not immune from them . So what is the penalty benefit to a catholic that goes to a...
  14. holeinone

    Repentence vs. Penance

    In Confession the eternal punishment (Hell) is taken away, but all of the temporal punishment due to your sins is not always taken away. "Temporal punishment" means that, even though all your sins are forgiven through the Sacrament of Penance, God still requires that you be punished for your...
  15. holeinone

    Repentence vs. Penance

    Does the scripture say he was forgiven by God because of the restitution or might it be that because God had shown Him forgiveness he bore the fruit of that and made restitution .. Notice that When Christ called to him he felt Joy , and he quickly invited Christ to his home. Is one saved by...
  16. holeinone

    Repentence vs. Penance

    I believe that Catholic doctrine says that even if the priest has forgiven your sin you still must "pay" for that sin in actions or in in purgatory. So it seems to me that neither temporal or eternal consequences are erased by the forgiveness of the priest, but rather by your actions . Has...
  17. holeinone

    Repentence vs. Penance

    Could you explain how the atonement is different and where do we find this taught?
  18. holeinone

    Repentence vs. Penance

    Then why must you still go and spend time in purgatory for sin that the priest has absolved? It seems to me this is contradictory , or maybe I am misreading it On one hand you say the atonement of Christ does not remove the temporal consequences of our sin ( with which I agree), that it...
  19. holeinone

    Repentence vs. Penance

    Let me understand temporal does not mean eternal consequences and it can not mean temporal consequences as our life observations show that Catholics that go to confession may still have to live with the temporal consequences ... so what does temporal mean to you?
  20. holeinone

    Repentence vs. Penance

    That is the temporal punishment not the eternal ( which I thought was the purpose of confessional forgiveness?) When a priest forgives your sins is he acting for God? If he is why then do you need to do penance or purgatory ?