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  1. Butch5

    VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

    NO. Read Mathew 24. It's as clear as day.
  2. Butch5

    Where is "go to heaven" in the Bible?

    There are no passages that indicate that people go to heaven. However, we do have passages the show they don't. In 1 Cor. 15 Paul said, of Christians who had died, if there is no resurrection they had already perished. 16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 17 And if Christ be...
  3. Butch5

    Where is "go to heaven" in the Bible?

    It doesn't. That's a concept that entered the Christian faith from Greek Philosophy. The Christian's hope is really the restoration of creation.
  4. Butch5

    Does "zōēn aiōnion" mean eternal life?

    Actually, it's better translated age enduring life.
  5. Butch5

    Genesis 3:15

    The simple answer is because God hid it in the Old Testament. The prophets didn't understand a lot of what they wrote. If you want to know if Paul is legit just look at what he said and compare it to the Old Testament. He constantly quoted from the Old Testament. I am a little confused, you...
  6. Butch5

    Genesis 3:15

    Did you read the post? I explained who Satan's seed are. The word seed is singular. However, it can refer to a single seed or it can refer to multiple seeds. I have a bag of seed. The word offspring is the same. The word is singular, but it can refer to one or more. The word group is singular...
  7. Butch5

    Genesis 3:15

    The seed of Satan are those who oppose God. 31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. 33 They answered him, We be Abraham’s seed, and were never in...
  8. Butch5

    Genesis 3:15

    Hi Lilith, why do you say the word seed refers to all of the offspring?
  9. Butch5

    Why are so many against reformed theology?

    I'm against it because it isn't Biblical.
  10. Butch5

    THE TRUTH ABOUT THE STATE OF THE DEAD?

    #1,2,3,4. The story of Lazarus and the Rich Man is a parable. No one is suggesting Soul Sleep. 1 thess 5 says nothing about man being made of three parts. #6 where does Luke 16 says unbelievers go to Hell. #8 they go to the same place everyone else does, the grave. 1Cor 5:5, salvation of the...
  11. Butch5

    THE TRUTH ABOUT THE STATE OF THE DEAD?

    Is it your contention that Isaiah 53:12 is not Scripture? I posted it twice. It plainly says He poured out His soul unto death. This passage has nothing to do with the subject at hand. Again, consider another understanding of this passage. No, it meant He grieved to the point that He could...
  12. Butch5

    THE TRUTH ABOUT THE STATE OF THE DEAD?

    You didn't answer the question. You didn't answer the question. Did the life cease? I gave you the text. Isaiah 53:12 (KJV 1900): 12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, And he shall divide the spoil with the strong; Because he hath poured out his soul unto death: And he...
  13. Butch5

    THE TRUTH ABOUT THE STATE OF THE DEAD?

    I will reply when I have a few minutes. In the mean time can you please define what you mean by soul so I can try to understand what your argument is.
  14. Butch5

    THE TRUTH ABOUT THE STATE OF THE DEAD?

    We do have details. I gave you both passages. As I pointed out, nephesh is often translated life. Her life was departing. She died. Was she dead or alive? According to your argument she was dead and alive. Again, life and death are two opposing states they cannot both exist at the same time...
  15. Butch5

    THE TRUTH ABOUT THE STATE OF THE DEAD?

    If it's not what the Scriptures teach then you should have no difficulty proving it wrong. Regarding the beliefs of Christians in the past, what does that have to do with the validity of my argument? Christians have believed erroneous teachings all through history. We can go all the way back...
  16. Butch5

    THE TRUTH ABOUT THE STATE OF THE DEAD?

    it's not extreme. Genesis 2:7 (KJV 1900): 7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. The body was formed from the dust. God breathed into it the breath of life. Those two combined to form a living...
  17. Butch5

    THE TRUTH ABOUT THE STATE OF THE DEAD?

    It's not that it's a point of understanding. It's what God's word teaches. It's important because some teach God's word incorrectly.
  18. Butch5

    THE TRUTH ABOUT THE STATE OF THE DEAD?

    Yes, it's a reference to the person. Because Lazarus was a person. Wake up is a metaphor just like sleep is. if some is dead one can't simply go over and shake them to wake them up. It's a metaphor Not text states that. However, that is the "ONLY" logical conclusion from Genesis 2:7. You're...
  19. Butch5

    THE TRUTH ABOUT THE STATE OF THE DEAD?

    Actually, it does. The Greek and Hebrew words Nephesh and Pseuche are often translated life. I'll give you a few examples. 11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement...
  20. Butch5

    THE TRUTH ABOUT THE STATE OF THE DEAD?

    It's my claim that sleep, unless some is literally sleeping for the night and will wake up in the morning, is a reference to death. They are dead. When Jesus said Lazarus was asleep, Lazarus was dead. Jesus even said, he was dead. It's a metaphor. Paul used death as a metaphor also. In Romans he...