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    Adam, Eve, and Evolution

    Considering you're willing to play games and turn what isn't purely figurative language into figurative language, probably not. But it's apparent to anyone who studies ANE cosmology alongside the Bible that numerous verses in the Bible are describing a flat Earth under a dome just as all of the...
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    Adam, Eve, and Evolution

    Where is what writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit entails spelled out? The problem isn't individual case occurences of miracles, but things that must perpetually be true that modern science shows are not true. The example of the ancient theory of the eyes being the source of light...
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    Adam, Eve, and Evolution

    If we took our science cues from a literal understanding of the Bible, we would believe the world is flat, under a dome, with waters above and below. We would also believe in ancient Greek scientific ideas like the eyes generating light not simply being receptors. So simply because Moses and...
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    Adam, Eve, and Evolution

    My point isn't that people of faith can't do science and maintain their faith, but that reading and interpreting the Bible is a separate discipline from empirical sciences. We shouldn't be using science to interpret the Bible, or the Bible to interpret science.
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    Can you be Christian and believe in evolution?

    You've invented some things there to finagle them in an attempt to side-step the problem and have two acts of creation, one in "witnessed time" whatever that is, and one in space-time. The problem is, as far as I can tell there is only one reality and one stream of history. So which stream of...
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    Can you be Christian and believe in evolution?

    Yes, a literal reading of Genesis and the theory of evolution are incompatible for a number of reasons. For example, in evolution death has to have entered the picture long before human beings whereas according to Genesis death follows the first sin. Evolution can only happen in a world that is...
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    Can you be Christian and believe in evolution?

    The question boils down to, essentiallly, a matter of hermeneutics rather than a matter of science. If we believe the Bible must be taken completely literally and presents a completely accurate account of history, then we cannot believe the theory of evolution by natural selection and maintain...
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    Flat-Earth, Slander, and Christian Ethics

    What's NASA got against hispanics?
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    For me, it's either theistic evolution or nothing.

    I'm not sure adding "theistic" to evolution adds anything to our understanding, especially since evolution by natural selection isn't necessarily atheistic unless we presume that nature is without a Creator. Unless it is seen that there is a real conflict between the Biblical text and the theory...
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    Many watery baptisms.

    I understand why Catholics and others who view baptism as affecting what it symbolizes would argue over proper administration, but I can't for the life of me understand why baptists who argue that it is just a symbol would bother arguing over what the correct way to administer it would be...
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    How to reconcile biological and social evolution with the Bible?

    Nope, you're playing a game with an English technicality and completely ignoring the overall context of the passage. I accept it as presented, which is in its historic and literary context. Not by holding it to modern conventions. It's quite obvious that it presents a problem since you've...
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    How to reconcile biological and social evolution with the Bible?

    Again, you're simply insisting on reading it a way that is out of keeping with how it would historically have been read. Essentially building a case on a technicality that is entirely understandable in a way that doesn't require an unnatural reading. Words only mean things within a specific...
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    How to reconcile biological and social evolution with the Bible?

    If we completely ignore the historical context and insist on reading it with modern eyes, maybe. But when we understand it alongside its contemporary stories and with sensitivity to the historical context there is no need to woodenly insist on what you're insisting on. Adam died the day that he...
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    How to reconcile biological and social evolution with the Bible?

    Nope, no need to shift it to a spiritual death since the moment he ate his death was a certainty. The natural reading is a physical death, there's nothing to indicate that it is some kind of special ethereal "death." There's no need for an immediate death, especially if we consider similar...
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    How to reconcile biological and social evolution with the Bible?

    First, just because it hasn't prevented anyone's death yet doesn't mean that it's a failure. It just means the time is not yet right. As for God's words to Adam, it can just as easily be understood that his death was guaranteed from the point that he ate and so was the walking dead from that...
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    How to reconcile biological and social evolution with the Bible?

    Was he raised bodily, and will we be raised bodily when He returns? There's no failure, the full promise simply hasn't been realized yet. It was physical death that Christ came to defeat, but we live in a time between the initiation of that victory and its full consummation. There seem to be a...
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    Modest Dress for Women.

    There's that, and "never argue with a fool...they'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
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    Modest Dress for Women.

    Welcome to the loony bin...
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    Is Sola Scriptura Self-refuting?

    I understand and sympathize with what you're saying, but the factual details about the where and the when of it matter. Your point becomes less forceful when you accuse Catholics of pointing to a particular council that doesn't play into their narrative on the canon at all. That Catholics...
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    Is Sola Scriptura Self-refuting?

    Nicea had nothing to do with canonization, there is one mention by Jerome about them recognizing the book of Judith but it's not clear if he was misled by spurious information, or was refering to Judith being used in the proceedings of the council.