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  1. tcampen

    In concrete terms: Demonstrate how gay marriage harms straight marriage.

    I haven't seen a single coherent opposition to Judge Walker's ruling in any threads in CF dealing with this issue. It is an unexpected vidication of the judge's reasoning.
  2. tcampen

    Proposition 8 overturned in California

    Rather than lament the result and just assume Judge Walker acted outside the scope of his authority and the law, can you point anything in his legal reasoning in the ruling that would support your contention? Have you even read it? I have, I found he did a much better job articulating his...
  3. tcampen

    Proposition 8 overturned in California

    Many posts, but I see no real substantive discussion of the Court's ruling - just dissatisfaction with the end result without any analysis of how the judge got there. Do people care about the legal process, or does any judicial ruling that conflicts with their personal beliefs just necessarily...
  4. tcampen

    Proposition 8 overturned in California

    So do you think we should have a theocracy rather than our current constitutional republic? And if we did, and if your version of Christianity fell out of favor of the theocracy's, how would you go about protecting your religious rights?
  5. tcampen

    Proposition 8 overturned in California

    The U.S. is not a democracy, but a constitutional republic with certain individual rights guaranteed by the Constitution. Among those rights are equal protection under the law and due process. These are not absolute rights, and must be tempered against other things, including government...
  6. tcampen

    The death penalty

    Per the U.S. Constitution, the death penalty is the highest form of punishment. This is simply the state of affairs; I didn't make it up. I think based on your criteria one could ask whether accountability should be part of the criminal justice system at all. Are you suggesting the response...
  7. tcampen

    The death penalty

    Suppose a man is upset that his wife is cheating on him. He gets a gun and shoots her as she returns home from work. Suppose we know it's a one time thing, and it will never happen again, so isolating the man for the community's protection is not an issue. Should we just issue the man a fine...
  8. tcampen

    The death penalty

    There is an elevated response comensurate with level of crime committed. We don"t imprison a person for going 10 mph over the speed limit, nor only a fine for rape. LWOP for certain horrific cases of murder with special circumstances seems like an inadequate expression of accountability. I am...
  9. tcampen

    The death penalty

    I think there is another argument for the death penalty not listed in the OP: There are some offenses so great that the the ultimate punishment of death is justified. This goes from the position that the punishment should fit the crime, and that some crimes are so great that the only just...
  10. tcampen

    Any one care to take a swing at this?

    Why did humanity survive for 250,000 years before the bible was written?
  11. tcampen

    Atheist Universe: Not Impossible

    A statement is true if it accurately corresponds with reality, or is true by definition. But statements themselves can't happen apart from a mind. Pondering is awesome! That's why I'm here.
  12. tcampen

    The Fundamentalist Christian Agenda

    Uh....because it's their agenda?
  13. tcampen

    Atheist Universe: Not Impossible

    The whole issue is irrelevent unless something thinks about it. Where does the truth value of 1+1=2 exist apart from the mind? I understand what you are asserting in the abstract, but in real, concrete terms, I don't see even the "truest" of mathmatical equations existing at all apart from a...
  14. tcampen

    Atheist Universe: Not Impossible

    Statements cannot exist apart from a mind to comprehend those statements. It's meaningless. Abstract statements and conclusions are a product of the mind. Such may represent an actual state of affairs independent of the mind, but the statements and conclusions in and of themselves do not have an...
  15. tcampen

    Atheist Universe: Not Impossible

    Logic is a tool of the mind to understand our world. Logic does not exist outside the mind. To the extent that logic is a tool the mind uses, and the mind is what the brain does, and the brain is made up of matter and energy of the universe, I suppose the one could extrapolate the notion that...
  16. tcampen

    Gender based abortions now legal in Sweden.

    Seriously, did you not think this was possible (and legal) in the U.S. for the last 25 years? As much as I disagree with this practice, it is not a slippery slope.
  17. tcampen

    Gene Number Changes Between Humans and Chimps

    Is it 98% or 94%? I know that these stats (and other numbers I've seen) come from looking at the genetic evidence in different ways. You have to dig a bit deeper to intellegently comment on these differences. But regardless, you're talking about genes that are well over 90% the same between...
  18. tcampen

    "Gathering Storm" Ad in Iowa

    Dude, do 2 seconds of research on this. Here's a really quick read: http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-20050506-000006.html The bible is not the only "history" book out there. And look at the marriage of Mary and Joseph...arranged. Sorry, but modern marriage is not nearly as...
  19. tcampen

    Misusing the names of fallacies.

    Can I add "begging the question" to the list? This falacy refers to circular reasoning, such as: The bible says god exists. We can trust the bible, because God wrote it. Therefore, God exists. Begging the question uses the conclusion as a premise. It does not simply refer to a statement or...
  20. tcampen

    "Gathering Storm" Ad in Iowa

    Traditionally, marriage was a property transaction, with the bride being the property exchanged between families for valuable consideration. What we consider "traditional" marriage today is a relatively recent change in marriage law and what marriage is when compared to the institution of...