How do Christians reconcile the failure of prophesies

SavedByGrace3 said:

Actually spiritual gifts, including prophecy, are given to us by God to comfort us. Have a look at 1 Corinthians chapters 12-14.
Apostles, Prophets, Pastors, Teachers, and Evangelists are intended for the work of the ministry. That is God's plan for us. These ministries and gifts are used by God

Ephesians 4:11-12
11. And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12. For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

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Indeed. Note that none of this is an excuse to be heedless, however, so any claimed prophet had best have the contents of their prophecies vetted by the Church, which is also in keeping with scripture (see the reply I just wrote to the other poster).

SavedByGrace3 said:

These are all gifts and ministry gifts are God's way of achieving maturity of the body. It is not immature to do and seek God's methods and plan.

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I think it is immature to presume that you have been given the gift of prophecy, which is what this thread is about. Failed prophets are obviously wrong in their view of themselves as prophets, so someone in this situation is not actually following God, and it's not God Himself.

SavedByGrace3 said:

The gifts are also God's way of creating equity in the body, so all the self declared "smart people" do not take over and lord it over the rest.

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I don't see anything in these verses, or in the OP, or in any post in this thread about "self declared 'smart people'" taking over anything or lording anything over anyone.

SavedByGrace3 said:

So as for me, despite the problems we see, I will stick with God's plan. Give me a poor prophet over a prideful intellectual any day!

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Sure, but this thread is about people who think/thought they are prophets but are proven wrong when their prophecies don't come to pass. It's not really about who's poor or who's an intellectual or whatever. (Unless I just don't understand the OP...I don't think that's what we're supposed to be talking about in this thread, anyway.)

dzheremi said:

Indeed. Note that none of this is an excuse to be heedless, however, so any claimed prophet had best have the contents of their prophecies vetted by the Church, which is also in keeping with scripture (see the reply I just wrote to the other poster).

I think it is immature to presume that you have been given the gift of prophecy, which is what this thread is about. Failed prophets are obviously wrong in their view of themselves as prophets, so someone in this situation is not actually following God, and it's not God Himself.



I don't see anything in these verses, or in the OP, or in any post in this thread about "self declared 'smart people'" taking over anything or lording anything over anyone.



Sure, but this thread is about people who think/thought they are prophets but are proven wrong when their prophecies don't come to pass. It's not really about who's poor or who's an intellectual or whatever. (Unless I just don't understand the OP...I don't think that's what we're supposed to be talking about in this thread, anyway.)

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"this thread is about people who think/thought they are prophets"

I have wondered reading about Korah and his rebellion against Moses, claiming the Lord would listen to him and his group above listening to Moses was very foolish. He forgot that standing in the Holy place before the Lord without His calling is a death sentence. What was the point before the living God, if the living God does not anoint.

Most of the prophets I have heard are literally pompous people claiming something beyond their right or even faith.
And the subject matter is often something unrelated to the Lords interests or ways.

Trump is a symtom of a disempowered people who feel they are losing their country and do not know what to do.
This reminds me of the soldier who has fought the battle for their group, only to find they were betrayed by their commanders, their political leaders and their mission has been given up. To motivate them to serve they were sold a story, but the story was a lie, the truth is much deeper and profound, because we are in the Kingdom of God, and Jesus is our Lord and saviour calling us to walk the path of love and witness.

Until 1928 people like myself could not vote, were cannon fodder and shipped anywhere in the world on a whim.
How can I be proud of a system that devalued my heritage and only gave power to the masses because they were scared of revolution?

In a wealthy society were the apostles and prophets can line their nests from the proceeds of congregations, little wonder dream telling and flattery is all they love telling.

God bless you

Can't the enemy still deceive a true man of God though? It's a bit of a tricky one isn't it?

Maybe one could look at what the bible says about prophets of old and the prophecies which they would give including, whether they also made wrong predictions. Also looking at what they would prophesy over and how it glorified the Lord.

LightLoveHope said:

Until 1928 people like myself could not vote, were cannon fodder and shipped anywhere in the world on a whim.
How can I be proud of a system that devalued my heritage and only gave power to the masses because they were scared of revolution?

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Through some research, I think you're referring to the "Representation of the People (Equal Franchise) Act" passed in 1928 in the United Kingdom. However, that law made it so that the age requirement for women to vote was moved from 30 to 21, to be the same age as for men. But women--the only ones affected by this law--were rarely if ever serving in active combat roles at the time, so the statement of canon fodder doesn't make much sense. Can you clarify what you're talking about?

Zoii said:

If you want to raise an issue where the facts of a NY case were wrong, you have the opportunity by starting another thread. When you do, be specific and not generalise with unfounded data - be specific and be able to back up your point with facts and data.

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I believe that it has already been established beyond doubt. but thanks for your suggestion

dzheremi said:

I think it is immature to presume that you have been given the gift of prophecy, which is what this thread is about. Failed prophets are obviously wrong in their view of themselves as prophets, so someone in this situation is not actually following God, and it's not God Himself.

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I don't think that's necessarily true. All through the old testament scriptures when God appointed a prophet to speak to a nation, it was always if this then that. So prophecies don't have to come true to be accurate. "If" they repent, then they will be blessed but if they do not, then their city shall be destroyed...like Jonah in Ninevah.

Zoii said:

Then that makes their prophesy incorrect and as such, false. It's rather clear to me and I am sure many.

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Indeed, their interpretation of prophecy is incorrect in that much of it disagrees with NT apostolic teaching authoritative to the church (Lk 10:16), and in major ways regarding NT Christology and ecclesiology.