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I was watching Dennis Murray on Shepherd's Chapel. It's a bible study tv show. He was reading in 2 Chronicles - 21:20 to be exact. He was reading about a king who departed without being desired. Does this mean - he left and the people didn't care or were happy about it? Okay, here is the strange question: When he was talking about this king, he said, "There is another person who will reign in Jerusellum who will depart without being desired. I'm talking about into the abyss for the millinium". Does anyone have any idea what he was talking about. Doesn't sound like English to me. ha ha. Sometimes I feel like that man and his father too - are so smart I can't even understand what they are talking about. ha ha. Thanks.

One more real quick question: He said something about Elijah writing a letter after he was taken up. Does anyone know about this? I don't remember reading that.
 

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I gotta tell you...I have no idea what he's talking about. I can tell you that there is a lot of deception and false teachings coming from the Shephard's Chapel. I would stay away from those gentlemen if I were you. In His love,

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I know they don't believe in the rapture and I do. Is that all, or are there other things I should watch out for? Thank you for warning me but I hope you can elaberate so that I can understand better. Once again, thanks.
 
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A letter from Elijah? I think that may be in the pseudopigripha, but I doubt that Elijah wrote it. How could we have it if he was taken up into Heaven in a fiery chariot? I might believe in a letter from BEFORE he was taken up, but even then... it would be extra-canonical, and would need to be tested against what Scripture says.

Regarding the other part... like you, I have no idea at all. I would be careful of what is said, and once again, test it against scripture. Even some of the more popular viewpoints (like the rapture... but I won't go into that right now...). With ALL teaching, test it against the Word of God. If it matches up, then it is from God. If not, then it is not from God.

I know nothing about this Shepherd's Chapel. So I can not tell you anything useful about them...
 
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The king he was talking about in 2 CHR 21.20 is Jehoram. He certainly was not a king after the heart of God. This king did his best to force Judah to worship other gods and follow pagan practices. He was cursed by God, his intestines became infected and eventually came out of his body. (my guess is he went to the washroom for a bowel movement and everything came out) The people despised him so much that they didn't make any offerings for his passing away. The departing they speak of is his death.

As to the second part of your question I would think they were talking of a "type". Since the first king led people astray, the antichrist(?) who will sit on the throne declaring he is god will also be overthrown and he too will be despised and no one will miss him. That is my guess from what you have written.

As for Elijah sending a letter to Jehoram... though in the timeline Elijah has departed on a chariot to go to heaven... somehow, through some undeclared agency, Elijah manages to do that. It would be pure speculation as how this was accomplished for it is not revealed anywhere to my knowledge.

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I think it's the same mentality of the midaeval mapmakers.
Any region that is unknown to them get's terrible seamonsters painted on.
Warning of Dangers Unknown.

From everything that have read and heard from Shephards Chappel, it is clear to me that you cannot accuse them honestly about not knowing the Bible.

The Bugzappers™ won't give you a reason to stay away because he is a threat to a number of Sacred Cows that they don't want slain yet.

Concepts like The Pre-Trib Rapture, an Eternal Place of Torment, that You must Bear Fruit and not just bask lazily in Grace, etc...
 
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I don't know either myself. But to make an observation, without the rest of the foundational scriptures available It would be unwise and unsafe to pluck a random scripture out of the book and try to buid a concept on it.

I would have to listen to his lecture and follow his Logic to be able to know where that tidbit is leading. Dennis Murray and his Father build a teaching precept on precept. If you had the rest of the lesson it would be much easier to explain.
 
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Sorry for not being specific about my concerns re: Shephard's Chapel....also sorry for taking so long to reply to your earlier post. Check out this website:

www.letusreason.org/Poptea4.htm This gives very good info on Shephard's chapel. Some of the author's concerns include: Murrays don't believe in the Trinity, They do not believe in the physical resurrection of Jesus (They believe that He resurrected as a spirit) and Murray's insinuation that taking the mark of the beast will not affect your relationship with Christ. They're are many other concerns that would be too long to list here.

Maybe I'm just cynical....I prayed for descerment so I won't be decieved. Ever since then...lots and lots of little red flags pop up when I watch tv preachers. I used to watch Shephard's Chapel every morning before I started really studying the Bible and getting involved in my Church. I always thought that there was just something not right about it.
 
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I have watched Shepherd's Chapel before, and I have heard Arnold Murray claim very plainly that he does believe in the Trinity. Remember, anyone can create a website and make any claim they wish, from mother Theresa was a Hindu to Barney is a real dinosour. Check into it yourself and pray for God to give you wisdom as to what is right and what is not.

I'm not saying he's a true or false teacher. All I am saying is what so many others have said: weight what he (and any other preacher) says against Scripture.
 
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IloveJesusMyFather3:16 said:
I was watching Dennis Murray on Shepherd's Chapel. It's a bible study tv show. He was reading in 2 Chronicles - 21:20 to be exact. He was reading about a king who departed without being desired. Does this mean - he left and the people didn't care or were happy about it? Okay, here is the strange question: When he was talking about this king, he said, "There is another person who will reign in Jerusellum who will depart without being desired. I'm talking about into the abyss for the millinium". Does anyone have any idea what he was talking about. Doesn't sound like English to me. ha ha. Sometimes I feel like that man and his father too - are so smart I can't even understand what they are talking about. ha ha. Thanks.

One more real quick question: He said something about Elijah writing a letter after he was taken up. Does anyone know about this? I don't remember reading that.

I'm sorry I missed that lecture.

"There is another person who will reign in Jerusalem who will depart without being desired. I'm talking about into the abyss for the millinium".​

I have been studying with The Shepherd's Chapel for ten years. Therefore, I know that Dennis Murray was speaking of the "vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries." (Dan 11:21)

In other words, this is the false king, the antichrist, Satan. And when he is cast into the pit for the Millenium (Rev. 20:1-3), people will not desire him, naturally, though they will look upon him in wonder (Isa. 14:16).

Dennis Murray was most likely using 2 Chronicles 21:20 as a type for what is prophetic.

Concerning the letter written by Elijah after he was taken up, you may have misunderstood him. The Shepherd's Chapel has referenced 2 Chron. 21:12 and pointed out that michetab, the writing, from Elijah was written while he was still alive, naturally, because by that time, he was dead (oops...I meant "taken up").

Those websites about The Shepherd's Chapel either:

1. Lie about what it teaches.

2. Twist what it teaches.

3. Base their reproof on traditional interpretation of Scripture, as opposed to context, the MSS, and they generally tend to have an all-around faulty understanding of the Holy Writ.​

Poptea4. htm is one of them.

So try this instead:

http://khyron_4.tripod.com/PMurray/PMurray.html
 
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IloveJesusMyFather3:16 said:
Okay, thanks. I love you all!!!! :clap:

I'm not worthy!!
I'm not worthy!!
I'm not worthy!!
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he he he. (That's what this smiley reminds me of. ha ha)
:D

"No way!"

"Way!"

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ahahahhahahha hahahahh!!!! LOL!! Me and Rosieace are always joking about the blue "I'm not worthy" smilies. She's gonna crack up when she see this. ha ha ha hah. Thank you so much for making us smile and laugh. ha ha ha. I'll have to send her this page in a PM. ha ha ha ha :D Thanks!!!!
 
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IloveJesusMyFather3:16 said:
I was watching Dennis Murray on Shepherd's Chapel. It's a bible study tv show. He was reading in 2 Chronicles - 21:20 to be exact. He was reading about a king who departed without being desired. Does this mean - he left and the people didn't care or were happy about it? Okay, here is the strange question: When he was talking about this king, he said, "There is another person who will reign in Jerusellum who will depart without being desired. I'm talking about into the abyss for the millinium". Does anyone have any idea what he was talking about. Doesn't sound like English to me. ha ha. Sometimes I feel like that man and his father too - are so smart I can't even understand what they are talking about. ha ha. Thanks.

One more real quick question: He said something about Elijah writing a letter after he was taken up. Does anyone know about this? I don't remember reading that.
look at the rest of the passage ....21.18-19 one of the evil kings like Ahab and Jezebel ...
departed -- died smitten of God
desired -- no one liked him
 
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