contradictions in the Bible?

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new_manII said:
Hello Daegor
Ok, would you please, open a new thread to talk about the Ark ?
thanks for your co-operation
nmII
Well, I don't know that it needs a new thread, I wouldn't call it a contradiction but it's part of the bible - I posted my comment earlier.

My mind's made up on the subject so I don't really want a deep discussion on it plus I assume it's been done to death already, just your oppinion on what I posted or a link to a site detailing what you beleive about it.
 
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Daegor said:
Well there would probably be people studying the cook book and the recipes in depth to come up with convincing arguments to show that the cook book was in fact written by the original chef (the one TRUE chef) and not the second chef.

bmoynihan said:
Exactly, maybe they should just get on with cooking and enjoying the food!! :D

Here is the proof: Use the cook book and discover if the recipes are actually as advertised. That should clear up your doubt of whether it is authentic or not. This is the part that so many fail to do or in their quest to prove, they do not follow the instructions exactly; so when the meal does not come out right, Guess what they say? See, this is not the actual book or the correct recipes. Until you are willing to hang your life on it, it is so unfair to criticize it as absolutely wrong. Even if you disagree with it, you still have not put it into practice and should be humble about your claims and assertions, in that respect.
 
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peaceful soul said:
People who do these things (namely Muslims) show that they do not care about knowing the truth about what they post. It is just a means of insulting and discrediting the Bible. Perhaps it makes them sleep better knowing that they have at least attempted to erase that voice in their head that says "Maybe the Bible is true". Even if it could be proven that the Bible is not true, it does not make the Qu'ran look any better than it does anyhow.

It is sad but laughable at the same time. May they be softened to the point that the real Jesus Christ can minister to them. This, I pray for their own sakes.
Now they're saying that Mohammed was illiterate, I wonder why they chose an illiterate prophet. They believe Jesus was a prophet as long as they agree with what he says but when they don''t agree with him they say it's been added. They just believe what they want to believe and throw the rest away. The Koran is similar to the old testament in certain places, but it is not the word of God.
 
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Daegor said:
My mind's made up on the subject so I don't really want a deep discussion on it plus I assume it's been done to death already, just your oppinion on what I posted or a link to a site detailing what you beleive about it.
well my friend,
since your mind's made up on the subject, there's no use of *talking* about it as nothing will be changed. Unless you want to convience me with your opinion, and in this case, you will need to open a thread too :)
right, my friend?
 
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new_manII said:
well my friend,
since your mind's made up on the subject, there's no use of *talking* about it as nothing will be changed. Unless you want to convience me with your opinion, and in this case, you will need to open a thread too :)
right, my friend?
I dont think if I could bring Jesus himself back from the dead to tell you that it isn't true you'd be *convinced* so I'll just site here on the edge of my seat and wait for the other *answers* to the previous statements.

my *friend* ;)
 
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Daegor said:
I dont think if I could bring Jesus himself back from the dead to tell you that it isn't true you'd be *convinced* so I'll just site here on the edge of my seat and wait for the other *answers* to the previous statements.
my *friend* ;)
:thumbsup:
I realy Love that
be well my friend :)
PS: Jesus is not dead, btw ;)
nmII
 
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Jesus is as alive as Abraham, Issac and Jacob!

Mark 12
26 But now, as to whether the dead will be raised--haven't you ever read about this in the writings of Moses, in the story of the burning bush? Long after Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob had died, God said to Moses, `I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.'
27 So he is the God of the living, not the dead. You have made a serious error"


Amen? :)
 
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S Walch said:
Jesus is as alive as Abraham, Issac and Jacob!

Mark 12
26 But now, as to whether the dead will be raised--haven't you ever read about this in the writings of Moses, in the story of the burning bush? Long after Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob had died, God said to Moses, `I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.'
27 So he is the God of the living, not the dead. You have made a serious error"


Amen? :)
Amen. Its a historical fact that Jesus rose from the dead. 500 people witnessed this. Jesus also predicted his own death and ressurection. Actually, The messiah was prophciesd to suffer and de then rise from the dead 700-1000 years before JEeus was born(in a womens womb, He is God).

Isaiah 53
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

pslam 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
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The fact that jesus rose from the dead according to the scriptures, proves that every religions besides Christianity is a cult and everyone will be judged one day by Christ himself.
 
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1. Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?

* God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
* Satan did (I Chronicles 21:1)

By Hebrew idiom, as well as by modern usage, a person is said to do what he permits to be done. For examples, see Ex. 4:21; 5:22. Jer. 4:10. Ezek 14:9; 20:25. Matt. 11:25; 13:11. Rom. 9:18; 11:7, 8. 2 Thess. 2:11. God's permission, Satan's suggestion.

In 2 Samuel we have the historic fact. In 1 Chron. 21 we have the real fact from the Divine standpoint. In 2 Sam we have the exoteric, in 1 Chron, the esoteric.
 
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2. In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?

* Eight hundred thousand(2 Samuel 24:9)
* One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

3. How many fighting men were found in Judah?

* >Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
* Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

(2 Sam 24:9) And Joab gave up the sum of the number of the people unto the king: and there were in Israel eight hundred thousand valiant men that drew the sword; and the men of Judah were five hundred thousand men.​

Israel: 800,000 "valiant men".

Judah: 500,000 "men".

Compare to 1 Chron. 21:5, a different classification:

Israel: 1,100,000, "all they that drew the sword", not all "valiant".

Judah: 470,000, "men that drew sword", not "all men".
 
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4. God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?

* Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
* Three (I Chronicles 21:12)

1 Chron. 21:12, as well as 2 Samuel 24:13 of the Septuagint (from an older set of MSS), says "three". The Hebrew numeral letters for three and seven were probably very much alike. Hence perhaps mistaken by by an ancient scribe.
 
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5. How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?

* Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
* Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)

(2 Chr 22:2) Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Athaliah the daughter of Omri.​

Forty and two years = a son of forty two-years: i.e. of the house of Omri, on account of his connection with it through his mother (832 – 790 = 42). In 2 Kings 8:26 Ahaziah’s actual age (twenty-two years) is given when he began to reign (790) during the two years of his father’s disease. His father, Jehoram, was thirty-two when he began to reign with Jehoshaphat, two years before the latter’s death (2 Kings 8:16). This was 796. Jehoram therefore was born 828. Ahaziah, his son, being twenty-two when he began his co-regency, was therefore born in 812; his father being sixteen years old.
 
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#7. Written in ancient Arabic, a language nobody could fully translate, much less understand.
#6. It does not prove the existence of God, much less that it came from a God.
#5. The nonexistence of the original texts (surahs) written under Mohammed.
#4. Radically deviates from the Torah, Psalms and Gospels, the Quran’s supposed predecessors.
#3. Its founder Mohammed was a pedophile who robbed & murdered people.
#2. It failed its own challenge: the abundant contradictions in the Quran.
#1. Violent and unethical verses in the Quran resulting in disfunctional societies.

O man, we're all screwed then arent we!
 
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6. How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?

* Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8)
* Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)

Eighteen was his age. Concerning 2 Chron. 36:9, some codices, with Septuagint and Syriac, read “eight”. The “eighteen” must include his co-regency, the “eight” to his reigning alone. This practice was common in Israel and Judah as well as in ancient contemporary kingdoms.
 
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7. How long did he rule over Jerusalem?

* Three months (2 Kings 24:8)
* Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)

Three months is put by the Figure Synecdoche (of the part) for three months and ten days. Compare to the use of Beyowm (= when):

In Genesis 2:4, it is put for the whole six days.

In Numbers 7:84, it is put for the whole twelve days of the dedication of the altar.

In Leviticus 13:14, it is rendered "when". Revised Version whensoever. Numbers 28:26, see notes.

In Leviticus 14:57, it is rendered "when", both in Authorized Version and Revised Version. Compare Deuteronomy 21:16. 1 Samuel 20:19. 2 Samuel 21:12.

In 1 Kings 2:37, it is rendered "on the day", but verse 41 shows that Shimei had been to Gath and back before Solomon executed the sentence (verses 37, 42).

In Psalm 18:18, it is rendered "in the day", but evidently means at the time when.

In Isaiah 11:16, it includes the whole period of the Exodus.

In Jeremiah 11:4, 7, it includes the Exodus and the whole time of giving the law at Sinai. Compare chapters 7:22; 31:32; 34:13.

In Ezekiel 20:5, 6 1, it includes the whole time of God's choice of Israel.

In Ezekiel 36:33, it includes the whole time of rebuilding the waste places of Israel in the future restoration. Compare chapter 38:18 2. Authorized Version = at the same time. Revised Version = in that day.
 
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8. The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time?

* Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:8)
* Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)

"was" does not appear in the MSS in 2 Samuel 23:8. Together the chief captains Tachmonite and Eznite slew 800 by the spear. Alone the chief captain Jashobeam slew 300 by the spear.
 
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