Ok, first I would like to say this is an interpretation, I am not in anyway claming this to be fact just a possibility. So please take it as such, do your own research and use it to form your own opinions.
Second, I would appreciate if no one replies in any full 10 page rebuttals, please only ask questions or make comments with a max in mind of 10 question at one time. This is a large topic and covers many areas, your question(s) may have just been left out by accident, so be patient and thanks for taking the time out of your day to read some or all of my post.
On this topic of what the bible teaches of what happens after death, I will go over a range of topics all important to the understanding of this alternative view!
Heaven and hell Logical?
If one looks at the fruits of Jesus and the fruits of the saints, and knows that they will judge all people, do you really think that it would be in those fruits to not accept people or send to an eternal hell people, that never knew the truth, if they were truly willing to learn?
Then take our concept of heaven, it would be nice and all to think that when we die we go straight up to the father in heaven but is this supported? For if we were to go up to heaven at death, then why does no where in the bible tell us what we are going to do there! And even mainstream Idea of what we would do there are illogical, giving us no purpose and living a life we would call here of a slobs, red neck or lazy, looking down upon such life styles! Would our loving father let us do this an eternity?
Or hell, our father tells us to love our enemies, would this same God go and burn in an eternal hell pit all the souls that both did not know him or against him, keep in mind this would be most of the world throughout the entire lifetime of humanity!
Bible teaching on if everyone has an immortal soul
many assume that the soul is immortal, but this does not come from the bible?
For in the OT, the word soul (nephesh) is used over a 100 times! Does in any of these it teach that it is immortal? Or even that we get judge at death? No rather it teaches quite the opposite.
The New Testament also teaches this very same point, watch closely to what is said:
Note the contrast, in these statements
Re-look at hell
Remember this is the God:
and who wants
First the Old uses three hells like three heavens, as with heaven old one palce assume the role of what it is we figure it to be, a place for the dead.
In the bible for hell, there are 4 words:
Sheol (Hebrew) and Hades (Greek) but though many assumption and ideas come about by many philosophers especially the Greek about this place, one thing is clear, it is a place for the dead, nothing more!
For an example see Psalm 16:10 for an example of how this place was used
In the New Testament the Greek word (tartaroo) is used once and translated to hell in 2 peter 2:4
Tartaroo means to confine in tartartos, which was a Greek abyss where rebel gods were confined.
So I would think Peter is clearly talking about Satans angels and no one else!
In the New Testament the Greek word gehenna is also translated to hell, yet that is not what gehenna refers to.
Gehenna comes from the Hebrew word ge-hinnom which was also called vally of hinnom or in other words the Jerusalem city dump where they throw all the dead bodies and were there was a fire that burn there to destroy the garbage!
this word is translated to hell in
And example of unquenched fire:
Matthew 10:28 was also Gehenna fire
And was mention because God will burn the Soul lost out of existence!
Out of existence?
Does not this sound more like the God David was referring:
Heaven At death?
No one went before Jesus:
The only other way I can see people to construe such would be:
Second, I would appreciate if no one replies in any full 10 page rebuttals, please only ask questions or make comments with a max in mind of 10 question at one time. This is a large topic and covers many areas, your question(s) may have just been left out by accident, so be patient and thanks for taking the time out of your day to read some or all of my post.
On this topic of what the bible teaches of what happens after death, I will go over a range of topics all important to the understanding of this alternative view!
- Heaven and hell Logical?
- Bible teaching on if everyone has an immortal soul.
- Re-look at hell
- Heaven At death?
- If no heaven or hell then what?
- Three resurrections including a second chance
Heaven and hell Logical?
If one looks at the fruits of Jesus and the fruits of the saints, and knows that they will judge all people, do you really think that it would be in those fruits to not accept people or send to an eternal hell people, that never knew the truth, if they were truly willing to learn?
Then take our concept of heaven, it would be nice and all to think that when we die we go straight up to the father in heaven but is this supported? For if we were to go up to heaven at death, then why does no where in the bible tell us what we are going to do there! And even mainstream Idea of what we would do there are illogical, giving us no purpose and living a life we would call here of a slobs, red neck or lazy, looking down upon such life styles! Would our loving father let us do this an eternity?
Or hell, our father tells us to love our enemies, would this same God go and burn in an eternal hell pit all the souls that both did not know him or against him, keep in mind this would be most of the world throughout the entire lifetime of humanity!
Bible teaching on if everyone has an immortal soul
many assume that the soul is immortal, but this does not come from the bible?
For in the OT, the word soul (nephesh) is used over a 100 times! Does in any of these it teach that it is immortal? Or even that we get judge at death? No rather it teaches quite the opposite.
Ezekiel 18:4,NKJV:
"Behold, all souls are Mine;
The soul of the father
As well as the soul of the son is Mine;
The soul who sins shall die.
Ezekiel 18:20, NKJV :
The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
The New Testament also teaches this very same point, watch closely to what is said:
Matthew 10:28, NKJV :
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
John 3:13, NKJV :
No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.
Romans 6:20-21, NKJV :
For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death.
2 Thessalonians 1:9, NIV :
They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power
Philippians 3:18-19, NIV :
For, as I have often told you before and now say again even with tears, many live as enemies of the cross of Christ. Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is on earthly things.
Note the contrast, in these statements
Matthew 7:13-14, NKJV :
Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
Galatians 6:8, NIV :
The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
Re-look at hell
Remember this is the God:
Matthew 5:44, NKJV :
but I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you
and who wants
Matthew 5:44, NKJV :
The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
First the Old uses three hells like three heavens, as with heaven old one palce assume the role of what it is we figure it to be, a place for the dead.
In the bible for hell, there are 4 words:
Sheol (Hebrew) and Hades (Greek) but though many assumption and ideas come about by many philosophers especially the Greek about this place, one thing is clear, it is a place for the dead, nothing more!
For an example see Psalm 16:10 for an example of how this place was used
Clearly this only means grave or in a state of dead! We know that all will rise but why not what happens in this Sheol, form just the bible!Psalm 16:10, NKJV :
For You will not leave my soul in Sheol,
Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption
In the New Testament the Greek word (tartaroo) is used once and translated to hell in 2 peter 2:4
2 Peter 2:4, NKJV :
For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell[tartaroo] and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;
Tartaroo means to confine in tartartos, which was a Greek abyss where rebel gods were confined.
So I would think Peter is clearly talking about Satans angels and no one else!
In the New Testament the Greek word gehenna is also translated to hell, yet that is not what gehenna refers to.
Gehenna comes from the Hebrew word ge-hinnom which was also called vally of hinnom or in other words the Jerusalem city dump where they throw all the dead bodies and were there was a fire that burn there to destroy the garbage!
Joshua 18:16, NKJV :
Then the border came down to the end of the mountain that lies before the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, which is in the Valley of the Rephaim[1] on the north, descended to the Valley of Hinnom, to the side of the Jebusite city on the south, and descended to En Rogel.
Joshua 7:11, NKJV :
Israel has sinned, and they have also transgressed My covenant which I commanded them. For they have even taken some of the accursed things, and have both stolen and deceived; and they have also put it among their own stuff.
Joshua 7:25, NKJV :
nd Joshua said, "Why have you troubled us? The LORD will trouble you this day." So all Israel stoned him with stones; and they burned them with fire after they had stoned them with stones.
this word is translated to hell in
Notice the quotations they are from Isaiah 66:24Mark 9:47-48, NKJV :
and if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire-- 48where
"Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.'
Isaiah 66:24, NKJV :
"And they shall go forth and look
Upon the corpses of the men
Who have transgressed against Me.
For their worm does not die,
And their fire is not quenched.
They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh."
And example of unquenched fire:
Ezekiel 20:47, NKJV :
And say to the forest of the South, "Hear the word of the LORD! Thus says the Lord GOD: "Behold, I will kindle a fire in you, and it shall devour every green tree and every dry tree in you; the blazing flame shall not be quenched, and all faces from the south to the north shall be scorched by it.
Matthew 10:28 was also Gehenna fire
Most likely refers to:Matthew 10:28, NKJV :
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Revelation 21:8, NKJV :
But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
And was mention because God will burn the Soul lost out of existence!
Malachi 4:1, NKJV :
"For behold, the day is coming,
Burning like an oven,
And all the proud, yes, all who do wickedly will be stubble.
And the day which is coming shall burn them up,"
Says the LORD of hosts,
"That will leave them neither root nor branch.
Out of existence?
Malachi 4:3, NKJV :
you shall trample the wicked,
For they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet
On the day that I do this,"
Says the LORD of hosts.
Does not this sound more like the God David was referring:
Psalm 19:9, NKJV :
The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever;
The judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether
Heaven At death?
No one went before Jesus:
John 3:13, NKJV :
No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.
Hebrews 11:32-40, NKJV :
And what more shall I say? For the time would fail me to tell of Gideon and Barak and Samson and Jephthah, also of David and Samuel and the prophets: who through faith subdued kingdoms, worked righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, became valiant in battle, turned to flight the armies of the aliens. Women received their dead raised to life again.
Others were tortured, not accepting deliverance, that they might obtain a better resurrection. Still others had trial of mockings and scourgings, yes, and of chains and imprisonment. They were stoned, they were sawn in two, were tempted, were slain with the sword. They wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins, being destitute, afflicted, tormented-- of whom the world was not worthy. They wandered in deserts and mountains, in dens and caves of the earth.
And all these, having obtained a good testimony through faith, did not receive the promise, God having provided something better for us, that they should not be made perfect apart from us.
The only other way I can see people to construe such would be:
Yet, he knew that the either way this would be true, because the way I explain his next waking moment would be with Christ!Philippians 1:23-24, NKJV :
For I am hard-pressed between the two, having a desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better. Nevertheless to remain in the flesh is more needful for you.