God's judgements on Catholics?

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JohnR7

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>>John, I also would like to add, that it has been a joy to read your opinions, surely the Lord is with you Brother !!

Thanks :) I appreciate the encouragement.

>>You're not opening yet another can of worms are you??

I wanted to start a thread that would get lots of responses. But usually, I do not get into this sort of stuff. I figure the enemy of God does not have much of a problem finding people to talk about his dirty deeds, just read any newspaper and they are full of it.

Perhaps God could use more people who are willing to give a witness and a testimony to the work He is doing in the lives of men, women and children today.

I think it's a big help if we can get across to people what God has available for them, so they know what to pray for and what to seek after Him for. Thanks, JohnR7
 
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To Catchup:

Please, the Catholics here welcome sincere questions from those who wish to learn about our faith.

The Pope doesn't CHANGE any Catholic belief. Catholics base their faith upon Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition; Sacred Tradition has not changed since the last Apostle died.

A Pope may CLARIFY what Sacred Tradtion or Sacred Scripture says, but may not modify it, delete it, or in any way change it.

What may change in the Catholic church are teachings that are considered faith-promoting. These have a foundation in Scripture and Sacred Tradition, but are not set in stone. Celibacy of the priesthood is one such teaching. Eating fish on Friday is another.

I've got the list that Wolseley provided saved elsewhere; I'll try to dig it up and post it.

Your guess is as good as mine, LOL, on who would be the next Pope. That's entirely up to the Holy Spirit. Many experts on the Vatican have compiled a list of who might be likely to be chosen, but those experts have been wrong before.


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Thunder please don't misinterpret what I am saying; I have empathy for all of the Catholics who are in turmoil over what has happened. The priests who came foreward are the first to talk; there will be more...I knew about this stuff happening back in the seventies at the small town church I attended. So I am not suprised, so maybe my point of view is a little different than others on this subject.
The same way that termites can destroy a house from the inside out, that is what I can see happening in the Roman Catholic church. It is deteriorating because of what is being brought out of the darkness, and into the light. No, the church will never be the same again because of this. And I am sad for it's followers, who are questioning the faith they have based their lives on. How many are going to lose their faith in God because of this terrible offense? Many people just associate the word "holy" with the Catholic religion. Look at it; every church is beautiful. The pope even tells his followers that God talks to him.

(sigh)

All I have to say is this; Put no faith in ANY man. But only the father, who is in heaven. Trust in God. Believe in Christ. Don't be lead away by false teachings, no matter how beautiful or holy they may appear to be.
I apologize if this post offends anyone.
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To Wildfire:

Trust me, the Catholic Church has withstood much greater stresses than this scandal.

Jesus promised Peter, "and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it."

That promise has been kept for over 2000 years now!


Peace be with you,
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>>Could you do me a favor and look up "prejudice" in the dictionary?

Only if you look up the word "grace" or better yet, do a study in your Bible of God's grace.

As they use to say, God will give to us, what He can get through us to others. You can only get as much of the grace of God as your willing to show to others. Thanks, JohnR7

John 1:17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Col. 4:6 Let your speech always be with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer each one.
 
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>>John, are you Catholic?

Catholic as far as being a member of the Universal Christian church, or Catholic as far as being a member of the Roman Catholic Church?

I was a member of the Episcopal church for many years. About half the people who attended had come from the Catholic Church. There are a lot of people who go back and forth between the two. At one time, for about 600 years, they were the same church.

I did attend a Catholic Church for about 5 months once, and I have studied a lot of their teachings. Perhaps I know the teaching of the church more than a lot who attend. If someone tells me something, I will usually research it out. I esp. enjoy to read about St. Frances and the books on Mother Teresia. If I were a Catholic, I most likely would be a Franciscan.

But as far as I know, that just is not the direction that God has called me to go in. Thanks, JohnR7
 
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>>The pope even tells his followers that God talks to him.

God talks to ALL of us through the Holy Spirit. Actually, last I heard, the Holy Spirit IS God. That is why we are called to be Holy as God is Holy. So we do not quench and grieve the Holy Spirit right out of our lives.

Luke 23:45 Then the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was torn in two.

When the veil was torn in two, we all could come boldly into the Holy of Holines though the Blood of Jesus. The division between us and God had been removed. Thanks, JohnR7
 
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Originally posted by JohnR7
[BI was a member of the Episcopal church for many years. About half the people who attended had come from the Catholic Church. There are a lot of people who go back and forth between the two. At one time, for about 600 years, they were the same church.[/B]

Not quite. Henry VIII of England had a "disagreement" with the Pope. His wife, Catherine of Aragon came from a good, Spanish, Catholic family, and when she couldn't give Henry a son, he decided that he needed a new wife with better breeding capabilities. Rome reiterated to Henry the teachings of the Church: no Divorce.

Henry's advisors comforted him with the reasoning that his rule over England was ordained by God, and NOBODY had the authority to countermand his word. Henry then broke away from the Catholic Church and established "The Church of England," or the Anglican Church. The ruling monarch is the head of that church, but is overseen by the Archbishop of Canterbury.

The Anglican Church in the United States is the Espiscopal Church. There are many similarities between the Episcopal Church and the Catholic Church, but they are not in full union with each other.


Peace be with you,
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Originally posted by JohnR7


Catholic as far as being a member of the Universal Christian church, or Catholic as far as being a member of the Roman Catholic Church?

I was a member of the Episcopal church for many years. About half the people who attended had come from the Catholic Church. There are a lot of people who go back and forth between the two. At one time, for about 600 years, they were the same church.

Thanks, JohnR7

I didn't know that there was a Universal Christian Church, or that it is Catholic. Forgive my ignorance.

I was raised Episcopal. I now attend a Bible based Church, non-denominational.
 
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>>I didn't know that there was a Universal Christian Church, or that it is Catholic. Forgive my ignorance.
>>I was raised Episcopal.

Catholic means Universal Church. It's in the book of common prayer. It's apart of the The Nicene Creed that Episcopalians, Lutherns & Catholics say every sunday:

And I believe one holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

I acknowledge one Baptism for the remission of sins.

And I look for the Resurrection of the dead,

And the Life of the world to come.

http://www.christianepiscopal.org/nicenecreed.html
 
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John, I don't know how God is going to judge this recent scandal, but I know of God judging a previous denomination. IN the 60's there were many certain denominational churches in my state, in every big city & small town. Now there are about 90% less, & very hard to locate in my state. This denomination taught a false doctrine, such as to be saved one must believe in Christ and also.... something else.
So God does & can take action against a denomination, but what I observed was not necessarily the type of judgement we would normally think of.
Catchup, I am under the impression that the most likely candidate for the next Pope is a French cardinal (or bishop) of Jewish descent. Sorry I don't know his name.
 
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Originally posted by Debbie
Catchup, I am under the impression that the most likely candidate for the next Pope is a French cardinal (or bishop) of Jewish descent. Sorry I don't know his name.
It seems that people speculate every time there is going to be a new pope. Every recent election I remember has had a SURPRIZE.

VOW posted:
Trust me, the Catholic Church has withstood much greater stresses than this scandal.
As I had posted the other day, "What makes people think this scandal is any different?"

Kotton :)
 
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I was a member of the Episcopal church for many years. About half the people who attended had come from the Catholic Church. There are a lot of people who go back and forth between the two. At one time, for about 600 years, they were the same church.
The Anglican Church was formed in 1534; so 600 years back brings us to 934; nothing major happened that year except a revolt against the king of Norway. 597 was when Augustine of Canterbury arrived to convert the heathens, so that doesn't match up; 600 years from that would be 1197; nothing big happened that year either, except that the king of Bohemia died.

Ya got me. :scratch:
I have empathy for all of the Catholics who are in turmoil over what has happened. The priests who came foreward are the first to talk; there will be more...
The same way that termites can destroy a house from the inside out, that is what I can see happening in the Roman Catholic church. It is deteriorating because of what is being brought out of the darkness, and into the light. No, the church will never be the same again because of this. And I am sad for it's followers, who are questioning the faith they have based their lives on. How many are going to lose their faith in God because of this terrible offense? Many people just associate the word "holy" with the Catholic religion. Look at it; every church is beautiful. All I have to say is this; Put no faith in ANY man. But only the father, who is in heaven. Trust in God. Believe in Christ. Don't be lead away by false teachings, no matter how beautiful or holy they may appear to be.
This sort of reminds me of how the 9/11 terrorists (and no, I am not equating you or anyone else here with terrorism, so put your swords away) thought that they could destroy the United States by blowing up financial and military targets. "Blow up their major financial center," they thought, "and America will crumble." But they had no idea that America is a lot bigger and a lot stronger and a lot more diversified than just a couple of giant buildings in New York. All they did was strengthen us.

In the same way, the Catholic Church is a lot bigger, and a lot deeper, and a lot stronger, more resiliant, and more divinely protected than her detractors or her enemies realize. This scandal is a mess, there is no doubt; but to equate it with the complete destruction of the Catholic Faith, or even a crippling blow to it, is laughable. The Church will survive this, and she will come out of it stronger than before. We have Jesus' own promise on that, in Matthew 16:18.
Catchup, I am under the impression that the most likely candidate for the next Pope is a French cardinal (or bishop) of Jewish descent. Sorry I don't know his name.
Cardinal Jean-Marie Lustiger, Archbishop of Paris.
 
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Wolseley's words are so true. Nothing can break our church. Sins of the few will not block out the goodness of many. I'm a Catholic and I have faith in my church. I know God strengthens us everyday both through blessings and trials.
Christ's peace be with you,
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>>The Anglican Church was formed in 1534; 597 was when Augustine of Canterbury arrived to convert the heathens

Ok, so the Anglican and the Catholic church were the same church for 937 years according to the Catholic Encyclopedia. I think my point was, that the Catholic and Episcopalian Churches are very much alike as you would expect, sense they were one and the same church for almost 1000 years. They have not grown that far apart in the last 500 years. Thanks, JohnR7
 
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To John:

It's not that there were two churches, Anglican and Catholic. There was just CATHOLIC, until Henry VIII wanted a divorce and the Pope would not allow it. THEN the Anglican Church was created.

The similarities between Anglican/Episcopalian doesn't mean that the churches "are alike." There are some major differences in important teachings, like Papal Authority and the Real Presence. Because of these, the Anglican/Episcopalian Church is not in full fellowship with Rome. And THAT gulf is quite vast, to the point you cannot say they are "not that far apart."


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Originally posted by colleen
Wolseley's words are so true. Nothing can break our church. Sins of the few will not block out the goodness of many. I'm a Catholic and I have faith in my church. I know God strengthens us everyday both through blessings and trials.
Christ's peace be with you,
Colleen

Hello Colleen,
I believe you, Wolseley and VOW are all correct. Your church surely will not crumble. It may be getting purified right now through the fire, but I believe it will get stronger. When the going gets tough, the tough get going.

The Catholic Church will remain through the fire. I believe it will still be here, even after Israel signs that badly desired peace treaty. The Catholic Church just may be the last church standing. He who has ears, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches, Amen.
 
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