Scandals in the Roman Catholic Church....

Hi Rollin Thunder,
I can't wait to hang out with you in heaven...if you get there before me, come and pick me up! I'll be waiting!
Love and blessings
Amie

Hey Amie,
I think all those blessings you are wearing look pretty good on you. I just knew I was gonna lose mine. But I thought Josiah was gonna get some. It looks like you got 'em all. I hope you wear them well. Sometimes the truth hurts, so I don't plan on being the most popular one at the party. I just call 'em as I see 'em, don't we all-NOT !!

Hi Rollin Thunder,
you can have some of my blessings!
Amie

Maybe you are my blessing. You might be on a mission here.
Maybe your supposed to go around and cheer everyone up that gets flustered on this Forum. Amie the encourager !! That has a pretty nice ring to it, don't ya think?? A smiley face goes here.

Originally posted by Irwin Hawkins
I have tried to sit here, and just read these post; but I think it is amazing how Wolseley, and other people of the catholic persuasion are protecting the sinner, and bashing everyone who don't agree with them. Sin is sin regardless who commits it, regardless of their religious persuasion. Wolsely; just keep in mind that all those people you mentioned payed, or are paying for their sin (crime). If their perspective churches had covered up what they did, you more than likely wouldn't have known about it. Speaking for myself; I want every person that is involved in sex sin (crime), or any other that brings dishonor to the name of GOD to be punished.

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NO CATHOLIC who posts in this forum in any way endorses, condones or agrees with any of the abuses which may have been committed by a Catholic priest. I have no idea where you got that impression, but it's simply not true. All of us are beyond abhorred by anyone, ANYONE who would prey on children, and defile their Holy Office of Priesthood.

There hasn't been any bashing, either. The only things Catholics have done is to defend and explain the Church, in an attempt to clear up any misconceptions and misunderstandings. We have not attacked the faith nor the beliefs of others. If you feel that you have been "bashed" in any way, shape or form, by all means, use the "report" button and let the monitors know!

I know as far as *I* am concerned, I have gone out of my way to explain the teachings of the Church. I may have gotten a little short tempered at times when people have presumed to misinterpret what I have said, but all of my postings have been to clarify the teachings of the Church.


Peace be with you,
~VOW

To all who posted here

This will be your last warning, no Catholic bashing here and I believe that the thread is getting off topic.

This thread is talking about scandals in the Catholic church and not the doctrines that you think is questionable.

If you have a point to drive in their doctrines please post in the interfaith

Thank you and God bless

If you knew that GOD works in mysterious ways...and all things proceed according to a plan laid down long ago, would you put your fears away? For it is true the avenger of GOD comes to unite the churches casting out all things not TRUE. If I told you the pope will not see Juan become sainted, but instead the avenger to use the schism to pull the Catholic church away from Rome to bind it to the churches of the americas and will demonstrate all miracles same as JESUS and greater, but will say in the church of guadalupe "I am nothing, JESUS IS LORD" will you still have your fears? What is faith for men to see? and not run and hide. Did you think it would be as many have claimed and they not so much as demonstrated even one miracle the very same as Christ JESUS? It will not be as all have dreamed, nay it will be so very much MORE. amen
adelpit
I am nothing
I go in peace

1 Peter 4:17
For the time has come for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?

Peter brought the jew into the church, and by Paul all gentiles came into the church. And neither have done this by the will of their own, but forced to do it ,by the LORD'S. ALL men who profess that JESUS is LORD are the body of CHRIST and this encompasses many different churches, for I having examined them all and found them to be the good sheep and by the LORD all will be brought together not by their own will, but (in spite of their contentiousness) by HIS as it was HIS it begain. amen
adelpit
I am nothing

I have tried to sit here, and just read these post; but I think it is amazing how Wolseley, and other people of the catholic persuasion are protecting the sinner, and bashing everyone who don't agree with them.

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Gee, did I really say anything like that?

Hmmm. It's a good thing I have you here, Irwin, to remind me of all these things I've said, especially when I've gone back through all my previous posts, and I can't seem to find anything which fits the description you've given. If it wasn't for you, all those things I said would have been lost forever. Thanks so much for "remembering" them!

I feel just like a book of Catholic doctrinal teaching after Jack Chick has gotten through with it.

Wolsely; just keep in mind that all those people you mentioned payed, or are paying for their sin (crime). If their perspective churches had covered up what they did, you more than likely wouldn't have known about it.

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Actually, quite a few of those people were involved in coverups; I refer to the following thread, and request that you carefully read it in its entirety:

http://www.christianforums.com/foru...hreadid=6172&perpage=10&display=&pagenumber=2

Speaking for myself; I want every person that is involved in sex sin (crime), or any other that brings dishonor to the name of GOD to be punished.

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"Vengeance is mine, I will repay, saith Irwin Hawkins." And if you want to interpret that as bashing, then you just hop right on your little bicycle and go, friend.

This will absolutely be my last post on this thread, period. The incredible twistings of Catholic belief that I've read through in this mess have been bad enough, but when we get to the point where we start to engage in libel, I'm all done.

My last comment: DO NOT put words in my mouth that I did not say.

Verstehen Sie?



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Jesus Christ prayed for sinners so why can't Catholics pray for sinners. I pray for abusive priests, because I hope that they will seek forgiveness. No one is perfect. Saying that doesn't make their action right it just means we hope for their return to God.
Christ's peace be with you,
Colleen

It's what some posts DON'T say that gives the impression.
You only know what is being written, so the absence of sympathy for the victim in a post is quite noticeable. One cannot read another's mind here.
There is nothing wrong with praying for the priests & bishops to repent, but it is appalling to see that even though they have admitted pedophilia, some posters still deny it happened.
The Pope has not denied it happened, he expressed sympathy for the victims. He also stated these priests give the other fine priests a bad name.
This is more what people expected to read on these posts.

Scandals in the Roman Catholic Church are nothing new, and one of many reasons is the confessional.

Scandals in the Roman Catholic Church are nothing new, and one of many reasons is the confessional.

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And you're saying that non-Catholic belief systems are immune to scandal....????

Is that coffee I smell?

Sure glad you cleared THAT up for us, Ed!

BTW, how do you explain Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Bakker, MarJoe Gortner, et al?


Peace be with you,
~VOW

Originally posted by VOW
Sure glad you cleared THAT up for us, Ed!

BTW, how do you explain Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Bakker, MarJoe Gortner, et al?


Peace be with you,
~VOW

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Hi VOW,
From what denomination are these three from?? I know that Swaggart said that He was just an acter, or a wolf to the true sheep I might add. Who would be foolish enough to give money to Bakker, it already went to his head once, proving that he couldn't handle shepherding his flock?? Who is Marjoe Gortner?? Is he related to Groucho, LOL??

Oh, THUNDER!

For want of a better description, I'll just call those fine gentlemen "Holy Roller preachers."

Hey, plenty of folks sure opened their checkbooks when Jim Bakker and Tammy-Faye Bakker cried about starving orphans in Africa, and then he funneled the bucks into his Heritage Park, and the air-conditioned doghouse and breast-augmentation surgery for Tammy-Faye!

MarJoe Gortner was a true piece of work. His parents were traveling evangelist preachers who worked the revival circuit. When he was born, they named him after Mary and Joseph, hence the name "MarJoe."

His parents may have been tent revivalists, but good ole MarJoe was of the carnival blood. He started "preaching" as a child, and was triumphed from the pulpit as having an extraordinary gift from God.

He later admitted it was all a SCAM, and that he worked the crowd just like a good carny. In fact, he laughed all the way to the bank, and saw it as a great way to pick up adoring girls who enjoyed being 'blessed' by him.

He later went on to be a terrible actor. Just awful. Dunno what he's doing now. Try a web search on him, I'm sure he's still around someplace.


Peace be with you,
~VOW

Thanks VOW,
But I don't care to search these imposters out. They may not be part of the Church. We will know soon enough. They won't wiggle their way past God.

Edjones writes:

"Scandals in the Roman Catholic Church are nothing new, and one of many reasons is the confessional."

As a matter of fact, scandals in any Christian denomination are nothing new, and I bet if you gave it a moment's thought you could think of a few at your own church- if it is more than twenty years old.

But when you have a church that is 2,000 years old it has had a larger number of scandals. Even 8% of the apostolic college was corrupt, and that was at the very beginning when Christ was still among us. What does the presence of Judas among the apostles say? That Christianity is basically flawed, corrupt, scandalous? No, only that even those with an apostolic vocation can fall from grace.

Frankly I think your comment about the confessional is hilarious. This is straight out of Chinniquy, is it not? You have no idea of the graces that come from the confessional, of the sins that are left behind there, of the good counsel received there, of the numberless souls who are in heaven precisely because of the confessional.

Can it be abused? Yes, but personally I have never known of any such instances. Judas even abused the Last Supper, but what does that prove? Nothing.

Have you ever seen a confessional, or been inside one, or talked to a Catholic about what it means in his life?

For myself, I have encountered my share of inept confessors, even harsh confessors, and have had awkward confessions, but all that is more than offset by the many wonderful encounters with Christ had specifically there-in the confessional. You walk in burdened with worry, guilt and shame, but you walk out as if you were floating on air. The worse my sins have been, the greater the graces received. And with this there is new strength to deal with temptation, greater resolve and ability to avoid sin in the future. And frequently I have gotten good advice that helped me in my relationships, in my prayer life, in my life of grace.

Jesus, thank you for creating the sacrament of Confession, for being there for us when we come with our sins, for absolving us of them and sending us on our way with new strength.

Lee

FYI Marjoe Gortner:

http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/marjoe.htm

an excerpt:

When he was nine months old his mother taught him the right way to shout "Glory!" into the microphone. At three, he could preach the gospel from memory, and he received drama coaching and instruction in every performing art from saxophone playing to baton twirling. On Halloween, 1948, at the age of four, Marjoe was officially ordained and thrust into a wildly successful career as the Shirley Temple of America's Bible Belt, the sprawling non-geographic community of strict adherents to the Christian scriptures. In the following decade he preached to packed tents and houses coast to coast, as enthusiastic audiences flocked to see the Miracle Child who allegedly received sermons from the Lord in his sleep. Owing to his mother's careful training, harsh discipline, and indomitable ambition, Marjoe's sermons were flawlessly memorized, right down to each perfectly timed pause and gesture.

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Peace be with you,
~VOW