Christianity all over the news...

whitestar · Aug 26, 2003

I honestly don't understand why people aren't getting this, how important this stand off is...saying its just a block of stone...well if it was just a block of stone all these on the news wouldn't be going on in the first place...and I would almost bet if it had ANY other reglion stuff on it, it would be ingored too, there certainly would not be this battle going on.

Two very very important things are going on here...first the US was founded ON the Christian belief system....if you look in history the whole reason people left Britan was because they were being forced in to a reglion they didn't agree with...they had NO freedoms on reglions AND many other things...that is why they came to America to start with...to have the freedom to woship as they choose too...among other freedoms which is why we go to war and men and women die to protect those freedoms for us. If you take away even ONE of our freedoms...how long before the rest goes? The freedom of speech? The right to bear arms? and so on...if you don't even care about God or any reglion for that matter, you SHOULD take note on this...our freedoms are slowly being chipped away after 911 as it is...

Back to the reason Christianty is being singled out. First our forefathers wrote the constition under the Christian reglion, NOT under the muslim reglion and so on....

When you go to court and have to testify...you have to swear to tell the truth, the whole turth and nothing but the truth so help you....???? anyone know? and your hand is placed on what while you are swearing to tell the truth??? The Koran??? nooooooo....

On our money, it says what? In --- we trust...

The ten commandments AND other bible verses can be see on many court houses INCLUDINGING above FEDERAL judges heads in FERDRAL courthouses....on the Liberty Bell there is a bible verse inscriped on it...on Lincolen's Memorial and on and on and on. Our whole history on the development of the US has been centered around the Christian God.

Why has America...so very young compared to all these other nations around the world, come to be the most powerful in such a short period on time? Our songs about America many times have God in them...people say God bless Amercia, NOT Allah bless Amercia...

The consitution is being distorted and HAS been for the last 50 plus years...no where does it say anything about seperation of the state and reglion like they are saying it...its SAYS the government/states are to NOT interfer with reglion...and the Federal government is NOT to interfer with what a state choses to do in regards with reglion. If lets say Kansas wanted to become a mostly Mullism state the Federal government cannot interfer with that. Yet they are trying to tell a state judge what to do and this is against the constition.

Second...I agree with Christian man...with the stink the few athesis out there are doing...trying to get Under God taken out of the pledge...prayer is out of school...gee notice school shooting went up after that? The ten commandments cannot be in schools anymore..they USED to study the bible in public schools !!!!! Not anymore..

They are slowly chipping away...wanting God out of everything....

There is scriptures that says a time will come when people will call bad things good, and good things bad...these times are here now.

First the supreme court rules on a moral issues making sodomy ok...but the ten commandments bad??? It IS happening now.

I think some Christians get too upset about these things though...it is prophetized in the bible...it is suppose to happen like this, and while its painfull for us to watch, we need to remember it just means we are that much closer to Jesus' return!!!

Anyway...how many more rights do you think we all need to lose before people start caring?

(PS. I am copying and pastings my own reply on here since there are several posts about this same subject)

God bless
whitestar

Inspired · Aug 26, 2003

xtxArchxAngelxtx said:
"How is having a statue forcing our religion on others? It's not like he blocked the door with it and said praise Jesus or you can't get in. "

If there was a statue of buddah up there, Christians would throw a fit, and ask for it to be moved, along with other non christians and non buddhist people.

This is just the flip side.

"Again, shouldn't we pull all statues of Justice, Venus, Neptune, et cetera, too? What religion's statues are acceptable?" "

There you go, no statues are. Infact, they are pointless, at least when it comes to Directly religious statues in a political enviroment.

There should be no religious icon of any sort in public view in a government building.

Force · Aug 26, 2003

xtxArchxAngelxtx said:
If there was a statue of buddah up there, Christians would throw a fit, and ask for it to be moved, along with other non christians and non buddhist people.

HAHA! If it was a buddhist statue it would stay....because it would be un-pc to remove it. And christians again would be horrible because they would be "intolerant". And you better believe the ACLU would fight for it to stay too.

whitestar · Aug 26, 2003

PS...for those who don't want to be Christians or muslim or whatever you also have the RIGHT to NOT have a reglion...one day a reglion WILL be forced on all of us...and it won't be the Christian reglion either...

We cannot afford to lose our reglious freedom...all the athesis think this is great...lets get God off of everything...what you don't realize is you will also lose your freedom to NOT have a reglion. And if you think you have the right to refuse...look again...we are losing ALL our rights...not just this one.

whitestar

ZaraDurden · Aug 26, 2003

"Two very very important things are going on here...first the US was founded ON the Christian belief system....if you look in history the whole reason people left Britan was because they were being forced in to a reglion they didn't agree with...they had NO freedoms on reglions AND many other things...that is why they came to America to start with...to have the freedom to woship as they choose too..."

You are exactly correct about why many people left Britain, but more than just christians were seeking religious freedom... and that is the same thing that is going on today. If our forefathers would have said, as you are proposing, that this government should be based on christianity, then how would that be different from Britain? It would be exactly the same, but with a different religion! Britain had a state supported government, and thats what people back then were running from... and we continue to run from that idea. Seperation of state and religion is the only way people have the freeom to worship as they choose to.

"...among other freedoms which is why we go to war and men and women die to protect those freedoms for us. If you take away even ONE of our freedoms...how long before the rest goes? The freedom of speech? The right to bear arms? and so on...if you don't even care about God or any reglion for that matter, you SHOULD take note on this...our freedoms are slowly being chipped away after 911 as it is..."

I actually agree with you on most of this stuff, especially how our civil liberties are slipping. But you have to realize, when you impliment a state-backed religion, that is losing our freedom of religion, not the other way around. A state supported religion could lead to a loss of even more freedoms, and that is why judge moore cannot be allowed to keep his commands in the courhouse.

Force · Aug 26, 2003

ZaraDurden said:
You are exactly correct about why many people left Britain, but more than just christians were seeking religious freedom... and that is the same thing that is going on today. If our forefathers would have said, as you are proposing, that this government should be based on christianity, then how would that be different from Britain? It would be exactly the same, but with a different religion! Britain had a state supported government, and thats what people back then were running from... and we continue to run from that idea. Seperation of state and religion is the only way people have the freeom to worship as they choose to.]

No one in the United States Government has ever said you HAVE TO BE CHRISTIAN...that is the difference.

strathyboy · Aug 26, 2003

whitestar said:
If you take away even ONE of our freedoms...how long before the rest goes?

Which freedom is that? The freedom for Christians to display their particular religious ideals in public places? Tell me, would you let Muslims put the law as contained in the Qu'ran up at the front of a courtroom? How about at the front of an elementary school class?

whitestar said:
First our forefathers wrote the constition under the Christian reglion, NOT under the muslim reglion and so on....

Did the constitution include special rights for that religion? If not, what difference does it make?

whitestar said:
When you go to court and have to testify...you have to swear to tell the truth, the whole turth and nothing but the truth so help you....???? anyone know? and your hand is placed on what while you are swearing to tell the truth??? The Koran??? nooooooo....

Or you can make an affirmation that what you are saying is true; it's something that's quite common.

whitestar said:
The ten commandments AND other bible verses can be see on many court houses INCLUDINGING above FEDERAL judges heads in FERDRAL courthouses....on the Liberty Bell there is a bible verse inscriped on it...on Lincolen's Memorial and on and on and on.

First, it is worth noting that most of the commandments aren't actually laws or represented in law in any way. Second, where in the constitution does it say the 10 commandments must be represented in a court house?

whitestar said:
Why has America...so very young compared to all these other nations around the world, come to be the most powerful in such a short period on time?

You can't be serious. You need to start another thread where you can argue that the US is the most powerful because of divine intervention.

whitestar said:
If lets say Kansas wanted to become a mostly Mullism state the Federal government cannot interfer with that. Yet they are trying to tell a state judge what to do and this is against the constition.

The two are not the same at all.

whitestar said:
Second...I agree with Christian man...with the stink the few athesis out there are doing...trying to get Under God taken out of the pledge...

It was put in in the 50's to spite the communists. How exactly is removing it now a vital blow to Christianity?

whitestar said:
prayer is out of school...gee notice school shooting went up after that?

Nobody is stopping you from praying at school. And perhaps you'd like to provide evidence showing the direct causal chain between lack of prayer and young people electing to start shooting classmates.

whitestar said:
The ten commandments cannot be in schools anymore..they USED to study the bible in public schools !!!!! Not anymore..

Tell me: why isn't the Qu'ran studied in public schools? Officially, the government must not recognize one as true and the other as false.

whitestar said:
There is scriptures that says a time will come when people will call bad things good, and good things bad...these times are here now.

I doubt it. The signs of the end times occur every year according to somebody. Why should this time be any different?

whitestar said:
First the supreme court rules on a moral issues making sodomy ok...but the ten commandments bad??? It IS happening now.

What are you talking about?

whitestar said:
Anyway...how many more rights do you think we all need to lose before people start caring?

What rights have you lost?

ZaraDurden · Aug 26, 2003

Read whitestars post and you will understand what i am addressing... whitestar is proposing a sceniero in which that would be the case

xtxArchxAngelxtx · Aug 26, 2003

Inspired said:
There should be no religious icon of any sort in public view in a government building.

agreed, except for maybe the religious icons that were there originally.

Firscherscherling · Aug 26, 2003

As I asked on another thread, do the true, rational-thinking Christians find this stuff embarassing? Thes guys only reponse to someone saying, "Don't force me to espouse your religion." is to say 'Move to China.'

Brilliant!

My very favorite, and I mean favorite argument on this board ever was the one posted by Whitestar which said that people in court are and should be forced to swear "So help me God" in court. Amazing. Your very argument is that if I go to court and must testify in front of a jury, I must swear to a deity I believe does not exist. I would and should be forced to say I beleive in God. Want me to swear on the Bible, too?

So, you believe that if I were in court and I said, "Sorry, I won't swear that way. I don't beleive in God." that I would be treated equally and fairly? What if I said "so help me Allah"? "So help me Gods"? I can tell you that I wouldn't be treated equally or fairly. Thank you for illustrating this point so very well. And I mean that, so help me Tooth Fairy.

xtxArchxAngelxtx · Aug 26, 2003

Firscher, I like the way you talk

I think it is stupid ne ways considering that we are not to swear as it is...

Blindfaith · Aug 26, 2003

I think everyone needs to take a deep breathe and chill a bit. Sarcasm and being mean-spirited isn't necessary, is it?

xtxArchxAngelxtx · Aug 26, 2003

I wasn't being sarcastic, if you are refering to me.

xtxArchxAngelxtx · Aug 26, 2003

INDIVISIBLE

"For all the people in the world that don't understand
Exactly what it is we have here in this motherland
See the Father's hand started up a master plan
There's been many through the test of time take a stand
But had they ran who knows where we would be now
I thank God it's something I don't have to think about
Instead my thoughts are on the ones who laid it on the line

KIA gave their lives to let freedom shine
But in the meantime I think of those of your kind
And wonder how it is you get things so messed up inside your mind
Just think a second how long it's been going on before you
They're the one's who even helped you have the right to argue

Stop complaining move along
Open your eyes and see what's going on
We need to get back to the ways of the days of old
One nation under God indivisible

Chorus
All the people let me hear you give a holler
In God we trust, In God we trust
We stamp it on our penny, nickel, dime, quarter, dollar
In God we trust, In God we trust
The people of the nation let me hear you give a holler
In God we trust, In God we trust
We stamp it on our penny, nickel, dime, quarter, dollar
In God we trust, In God we trust

The other day I saw the news somebody else complaining
They want the motto taken off of the Benjamin Franklin
They got a problem with my God and that I believe in it
But the don't got a problem with the money when they spend it
They're so offended by 4 words that need no explanation
In GOD we trust the motto of this greatest nation
Not just a motto but something that we truly believe
If you don't like it you can pack a bag and you can leave

One nation under God indivisible
You can't take back that, that was never yours."

so yeah, thats where I stand as far as Patriotic Christian. However, there should be no more either. What ever religous icons we have, let them stay, but let us NOT add any more, nor take away.

Firscherscherling · Aug 26, 2003

xtxArchxAngelxtx said:
INDIVISIBLE

so yeah, thats where I stand as far as Patriotic Christian. However, there should be no more either. What ever religous icons we have, let them stay, but let us NOT add any more, nor take away.

Sorry to disagree. I wouldn't want to deface historic buildings and the like to remove all Christian and other iconography, but 'In God We Trust' and 'Under God' are recent additions to our money and pledge. They ARE new ones.

xtxArchxAngelxtx · Aug 26, 2003

Slavery was banned because of people who believed in God, should slavery come back?

ZaraDurden · Aug 26, 2003

Slavery was also practiced by people who believe in god

notto · Aug 26, 2003

xtxArchxAngelxtx said:
Slavery was banned because of people who believed in God, should slavery come back?

Slavery was started because of people who believed in God, should slavery come back?

Who brought all those slaves to this nation that was "founded on Christianity"?

Was it the same people who slaughtered the native Americans and gave us "Manifest Destiny"?

kdet · Aug 26, 2003

notto said:
Slavery was started because of people who believed in God, should slavery come back?

Who brought all those slaves to this nation that was "founded on Christianity"?

Was it the same people who slaughtered the native Americans and gave us "Manifest Destiny"?

Slavery was NOT started because people believed in God.
The Africans who sold men into slavery did not know anything of God.
The men who bought slaves to bring to this country to sell were looking at it from a purely financel viewpoint..free labor in the fields.

notto · Aug 26, 2003

sweetkitty said:
Slavery was NOT started because people believed in God.
The Africans who sold men into slavery did not know anything of God.
The men who bought slaves to bring to this country to sell were looking at it from a purely financel viewpoint..free labor in the fields.

I never said that slavery was started BECAUSE people believed in God. I said that slavery was started BECAUSE OF men who believed in God.

You are certainly correct that they did it for profit. Not necessarily a very Christian thing to do as the founders of this Christian nation.

You can't have it both ways. If the founding fathers of this nation and this nation as a whole are "Christian" in nature and stature at its beginning, then it is this Christian nation that allowed slavery and a genocide to happen.

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