Inspired said:
It's a myth it doesn't exist, look back no one was talking about homosexuality before you, YOU brought it up.
I brought it up in context. The reader can easily verify it.
I'll grant you this: Clearly you've told everyone there's no agenda so long that you've begun to believe it, yourself. Regardless, the truth remains to the contrary:
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33984
strathyboy said:
If it's God's will that it happens, why do you fight it?
An excellent point (thank you for bringing this up): Although some things may be inevitable, as predicted in scripture, I don't believe this is a moral loophole for Christians to roll over, play dead, and behave as though immorality and perversion were acceptable. While we cannot cease to look upon all God's children with love, if we idly stand by and allow them to stumble, we're as guilty as those deliberately leading them astray.
strathyboy said:
I don't argue whether or not His teachings are beneficial. I argue that certain people are using those teachings in a very unbeneficial way that is harmful to American society and blatantly against the Constitution you claim to cherish.
I'll grant that there are good and bad people who worship Christ just as there are good and bad people who happen to be atheists. Regardless, the Constitution (that I do indeed cherish, after God's Law) prohibits a mandated state religion while
also prohibiting the censorship of religious expression.
Also, for the record, it protects from the establish of an official religion not freedom
from religion.
strathyboy said:
I didn't need the media to tell me not all Christians agree with you. You are incredibly naive if you do not see the disagreements within the church that have existed since there were but 12 disciples. Why is your particular interpretation correct, but not that of the many Christians who disagree with you?
I'm well aware that not all Christians agree, nor am I their judge. Many have stumbled over the (apocryphal) issue of homosexual clergy, too. I'm not contending that my POV is correct I'm contending that
God's is. Those who fear man more than Him will inevitably serve the prior.
SqueezetheShaman said:
lol. communist. what century is this again?
One that you're apparently not in touch with the politics of:
1) China, North Korea, and Cuba, though arguably different than than in their redder years, remain communist regimes.
2) Many of those who opposed the fall of the Soviet Union, preferring communism haven't simply dried up and blown away. More than a few work for/within
the U-N-emy now, including helping to write UNESCO's pro homosexual/pagan/atheist Earth Charter curriculum for (
brainwashing) children.
3) The ACLU was founded by communists and I'll even grant you that they did a lot of good fighting for genuine civil rights concerns in the 60's. Today however, other than defending rights to privacy (
and the Constitution in general) from Homeland Security and embryonic forms of Big Brother, their pursuits (along with those of many of their backers) center largely around tearing away at the moral/ethical fabric of America, vilifying our patriotic national identity, and perverting the law to protect sexual deviants while persecuting God-fearing Americans.
SqueezetheShaman said:
Isn't your god strong enough to stand without being shoved down someones throat??
No one's out to shove him down anyone's throat. A silent monument is not the same as, say, a flock of Moonies stalking your every move.
Firscherscherling said:
Ignorance/Naivete/Spin.
SqueezetheShaman said:
-ALL media people are part of a conspiracy to undermine Christianity and America and do so by showing ONLY anti-Christian stories.
This is a crass spin: No one's said they're out to show
only anti Christian stories. The point is that those stories pertaining to Christians that get the most press are the scandals. Carrion drawn to heartache naturally generate more revenue for advertisers. There may not be any deliberate immorality anywhere within this system, but it's still
amoral and often unfairly destructive.
SqueezetheShaman said:
- All non-Christians hate God and those who worship him. Dang. I thought good things could come from godly belief, and I thought I loved my religious friends and family. I stand corrected.
More spin: While many of those behind the strike-down-God movement hate him (and some have even posted to that extent here), I never said everyone on this bandwagon does. Many are simply ignorant of or naïve in regard to what they're really doing, the most likely results in the long term, and whose interests they're (actually) serving.
SqueezetheShaman said:
That if we voice opposition to being forced to worship Christ, that we are evil and trying to remove all religion from the face of the nation. Sorry, I wouldn't want to leave my daughter alone for a minute with these people, much less have them teach her this bunk.
I wouldn't voluntarily leave children of mine alone with with folk who view Christianity and God as you do, truthfully.
SqueezetheShaman said:
What I wold like are comprehensive Religion classes.
If you're proposing that they be mandatory, UNESCO could probably use you. They can't wait to shove their anti Judeo-Christian, anti American propaganda into our public classrooms.
If you're proposing it solely as an elective, however, I wouldn't be opposed to this.
SqueezetheShaman said:
- That there is a double-secret evil group of people who are conspiring to destroy heterosexality and Christianity. Again, if I am one of them, why have I not been invited to a meeting? Secret handshake?
Brush your teeth.
SqueezetheShaman said:
How do you people even walk around the block? Could be a gay-bird, communist-ant, satanic snake conspiracy out there. Be sure to take your wooden sword, carboard armor and tinfoil hat.
Well spun, but the agendas are real, as are the threats they post to America, the freedom of religious expression, and (in time) democracy: Everyone said the Nazis were harmless, too (and like it or not, anti-God people,
they were leftists, too).
Firscherscherling said:
OK. I'll explain it since you didn't understand.
Oh we understand
quite well, Comrade Firscherscherling.
Firscherscherling said:
1.Government entities should not be leading prayer vigils during their official meetings. (shove)
If you have the option to go get a cup of coffee while they pray, what's it to you?
Firscherscherling said:
2. My money says "In God We Trust". Sorry, I dont. Why force me to say so? (Shove, shove)
Because you live in a society founded by people who do.
Don't like it? You're free to head for China anytime you wish. They'd probably welcome your help as they crack down on churches.
Firscherscherling said:
3. My nation's pledge requires that, if I am to recite it as an expression of loyalty, I am required to express faith in God. (I'm choking)
I'm nauseated by your ignorant, ungrateful attitude, to be honest, but if I have to listen to it (as I agree to in participating within a civil society), you can mumble the part about under God without peeing on everyone who recognizes its validity.
Firscherscherling said:
4. My friends and family cannot have recognized civil unions because of religious hate-mongering. (Gagging)
More spin: What you or your friends gag on is your business (just don't hurt yourselves), but seeking to preserve the sanctity of the institution of marriage and maintain a family-friendly society in the nation we pay our taxes to support the governing of is not religious hate-mongering.
Firscherscherling said:
5. Government blue laws are based on religious beliefs (gack)
Again, you don't like it? Head for China or simply cross the border to Canada.
The homosexual agenda has already nearly
sewn up religious free speech over there.
Firscherscherling said:
6. My President says God told him to kill people in Iraq (strangling) and that God says homosexuals should be discriminated against. (SHOVE)
1) Check out the phrase below my avatar. To say the least, I believe staying in Iraq (where we never were justified to go, morally or legally) = disaster. A similar prolonged foreign conflict brought down the Soviet Union.
2) As a fan of the homosexual agenda, you should back President Bush for the same reason I don't (in addition to his giving UNESCO $71 million in H.R. 1950): While quoting scriptures and publicly professing to uphold the sanctity of marriage, he's been quietly appointing homosexuals to offices of government.
Firscherscherling said:
Then consider this. If not of the above were true Chrsitians could still pray before during and after meetings without forcing my participation. Christians could still say 'God bless you' when they pay for something withut forcing my to say it for them. Christinas could still pledge lowyalty to God without making me do so for them. My friends and family could live their lives in peace with no effect on Christians and without Christinas being forced to endorse their lifestyle. If I wanted to go to TJ-Max on Sunday, my Christina neighbors could just as easily NOT go. If the President performed his duties without focusing on religion none would be alienated and all would be included.
You still have the freedom to ignore people who say God bless you, spit on coins that say In God We Trust, et cetera. None of these are the same as someone storming into your home and hitting you over the head with a Bible, regardless of how you choose to spin it. Beyond the melodrama, you're freer here in religious and many other senses than almost anywhere else in the world... but again, if you disagree, please feel free to depart for which ever nation you view as Utopia. I'll pray you have a safe trip.
xtxArchxAngelxtx said:
As a christian, i want there to be semi christian influence, but not to a degree in which we are INTENTIALLY trying to make our religion dominante over others.
This is what Roy Moore is doing. He is disobeying his authorities due to what his "Conscience" is saying, not God.
How is having a statue forcing our religion on others? It's not like he blocked the door with it and said praise Jesus or you can't get in.
Again, shouldn't we pull all statues of Justice, Venus, Neptune, et cetera, too? What religion's statues are acceptable?
