cbk said:
oh yes, why not?
The current model is deeply flawed.
Major countries such as Germany, Japan don't have much influence in the UN Security Council.
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Ryder said:
exactly. It should go to countries which don't invade others on false pretexts (wait, wasn't that what Iraq did 13 years ago?).
To let the UN remain in the US would be a mockery of everything the UN stands for--conflict resolution, not warmongering.
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I think it's part of the Neo-Conservative hijacking of the christian right. The Neo-cons really hate the UN because of the mitigating influence it has on Imperialism and exploitation.platzapS said:
Other then that I think a lot of it is due to the fact that the UN is largely non-christian, and much of it reflects that.
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platzapS said:
Yeah, Christians love all those pro-gay, pro-choice, pro-world religion programs the UN sponsers. Come on, I'm not saying feeding starving kids is a bad thing, but truth be told, the UN does less of that than their much bigger edjucation programs to teach kids around the world about political correctness, abortion, homosexuality, and all kinds of stuff put forth as just great by the UN, is it any wonder Christians hate the UN?
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Oh come on, show me some UN program that promotes homosexuality in other countries. I think they've said that certain arab countries are violating homosexuals' rights, but that's a far cry from promoting homosexuality. I could be wrong, of course, but I have yet to see one.
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datan said:
You forgot to add abortion (including forced ones as means of population control), homosexuality, prostitution (many areas occupied by UN peacekeepers have mysteriously seen a rise in the abduction of girls and nonconsentual prostitution), paganism (i.e. the Earth Charter and ark of hopelessness its stored in), brainwashing (of even very young school children via UNESCO's Earth Charter curriculum)... the list goes on and on.
platzapS said:
They're not (half) as entirely benign as they'd appear. More than one Columbian drug lord has sponsored a local orphanage(s), but this doesn't mean the Scarface-types are hanging up their chainsaws.
ThePhoenix said:
While the neo-cons (are dangerous and) oppose the UN (in public), most God-fearing (true) conservatives do, as well for the reasons above. Not all neos apparently oppose it, either President Bush (sold God-fearing America out when he) gave UNESCO $71 million this July in H.R. 1950.
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ThePhoenix said:
Hello?
Most of their sex "education" literature pitches homosexuality as (though it were) a normal, healthy choice equal to heterosexual relationships. They've since scrubbed it from the Web, but a sex ed pamphlet they released (in the 90's, if memory serves) even suggested minors and animals as a means of releasing sexual tension. They claimed it was a "misprint" and blamed it on the Mexican printers.
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strathyboy said:
Where they haven't scrubbed their tracks, yes. When time permits, I'll post as much as I can. Don't worry.
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Brother Christman said:Where they haven't scrubbed their tracks, yes. When time permits, I'll post as much as I can. Don't worry.
But I do worry. All too frequently on these boards, posters make accusations for which they have no evidence.
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strathyboy said:
That's unfortunate.
You'll no longer find this at the UN news wire site (hmm), but:
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News Briefs UN Wire, 24th August 2001
http://www.unfoundation.org/unwire/current.asp#17302
1. ERITREA: U.N. Peacekeepers Allegedly Involved In Child Prostitution
2. CAMBODIA: Illegal Sex Trade Valued At $511 Million
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1. ERITREA: U.N. Peacekeepers Allegedly Involved In Child Prostitution
An Italian military prosecutor is investigating claims that Danish and Slovak soldiers with the U.N. Mission in Ethiopia and Eritrea were involved in a sex scandal involving the purchase of child prostitutes, Corriere Della Serra reports. An Italian military dependent with the Red Cross is also among the accused, the Italian daily reports.
Military prosecutor Maurizio Block said sources told him that the peacekeeping troops were purchasing local girls as young as 10 for small sums in order to sexually abuse them in hotels. In several cases, the perpetrators allegedly filmed the incidents. Block also said it is possible that even though international military authorities were aware of the incidents, they did nothing to stop them (Corriere Della Serra, Aug. 24, UN Wire translation). La Repubblica reports that the incidents were organized events and that possibly others were involved (Giampaolo Cadalanu, Aug. 24, UN Wire translation).
Block said he has been working several weeks on the case and has "concrete" and credible information obtained from an Italian military officer who has since returned from duty with UNMEE. Italian troops in Eritrea, however, deny the allegations, claiming they heard nothing about such incidents.
Despite the seriousness of the charges, Block said the military is considering whether to turn the case over to civil courts. According to Italian military regulations, personnel on peacekeeping missions who commit crimes abroad are charged as civilians and are not subject to military law.
Voicing regret that the case could be turned over to civilian authorities, Block said, "We are talking about military forces on a peace mission among a foreign population who have committed grave acts against the local population. Turning this case over to a normal court will end in them being tried as simple sex tourists" (Corriere Della Serra).
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2. CAMBODIA: Illegal Sex Trade Valued At $511 Million
Cambodia's illegal sex trade has generated up to $511 million, more than all the foreign assistance the country receives, according to a recent report on Southeast Asia by Canada's Future Group.
"(This) isn't our opinion, it's based on hundreds of interviews with victims and organizations," said Ben Perrin, the group's executive director. Perrin and three other Canadians spent four months in Phnom Penh investigating human rights violations against children and women. Estimates indicate there are millions of women and children working as sex slaves in Cambodia.
Perrin said that before 15,000 U.N. troops arrived in the country in 1991, there were only 1,000 prostitutes in the capital, but now the number has skyrocketed. The problem is also exacerbated by organized crime, sex tourism and police corruption.
"Cambodia is at risk of becoming a nation of slaves," Perrin said. "Sex slavery in Southeast Asia will go down in history as the greatest tragedy the world ignored" (Emma Poole, Calgary Herald, Aug. 23).
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So from this you conclude that the UN itself supports prostitution and child prostitution? I hope I don't need to point out the logical flaw.
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strathyboy said:
I'm not saying it's in their charter any more than a money-laundering dry cleaner would list something other than martinizing on their bill of services... but what an organization stands for is most accurately defined not by its rhetoric, but by its actions.
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Brother Christman said:
Great, super. So where is your proof that the UN's actions are in support of prostitution, homosexuality, and abortion?
If the actions of a couple of members of an organization is necessarily taken as representative of what that group stands for then perhaps you'll tell me why we shouldn't believe that the Catholic church supports child-molestation? Or why the US doesn't support slaughtering civilians (a la the My Lai massacre)? Do you see the logical problem?
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