Wound up? Why should I be wound up you only made three false accusations in your post, quoted below. If you have read the Bible many times as you claim perhaps you can explain how you interpret the passages which have been posted, Acts 15, Galatians, and Colossians. Post the pertinent verse and tell us what you think it means, don't just throw other scriptures at the board.
Don't just throw other verses on the board? You mean like you do? You simply ignore the text, write it off as "mere proof texts taken out of context" anytime anyone rebutts one of your posts.
There is no reason to, it is a waste of time. You are already bent out of shape, I really don't want to engage you further on the issue, but I will, in order to correct a few things I either failed to deliever in a means you could comprehend, or you are just feeling argumentive and "right".
Just asking questions? Is this a question? No it is an accusation, for which you have not posted any proof. "According to the theology of OS and likeminds it must have
Indeed. Just a simple question, which you have ignored, claiming you have answered it, does not make it so.
OS quotes a scripture from Paul stating that anyone returning to the law is fallen from grace.
I illustrated how the entire early church council at Jerusalem including James, were law abidding saints, that law was the law of God delivered through Moses. IF you chose to ignore that and read some esoteric meaning in to it, then you have done as you willed. But the text is clear, go back and re-examine it.
If more proof is needed that they kept the law of God given through Moses, simply read acts 10 concerning Peters vision.
Acts was written how long after the ascension of Jesus? And yet it clearly shows Peter observing the dietary laws instructed by God. He says no less than three times "Not so Lord, for I have NEVER EATEN ANYTHING COMMON OR UNCLEAN".
Did Peter fall from grace?
There is indisputable proof that long after the death of Jesus, the Jerusalem church kept the dietary laws, and if you read what the scripture says in acts 21, without trying to make it say what you want it to say, you will see clearly that the entire early church rooted in Jerusalem observed the law of God given through Moses. It's crystal clear.
Did the entire Jerusalem church fall from grace, James and all of the elders? For it is clear they are keeping the Torah.
Furthermore, citing OS and his "proof-text" that anyone returning to the law has fallen from grace.
Who could be returning to the law? As I already said, the gentiles were never given the law, they could not be returning to the law. Yet we see clearly the early church rooted in Jerusalem observed the law.
So, I must ask for a third time, did the early church fall from grace? Taking OS and his comments in the context he provided, they did.
So, all I ask is clarification. Preferably from him, as you seem a bit uptight concerning the issue.
What exactly do you mean by law abiding and where is your proof?
It's already been provided, ignore it if you will, but it still is there, clear as day.
More of Kelsay NOT labeling people. Anyone who disagrees with his Judaizing, he accuses them of teaching that people go to hell for following the teaching of God.
Indeed, I did not label him. I asked a question of him, who has yet to respond, unless of course you are him. There is a theology that if one returns to the law he is fallen from grace, OS tried to espouse it. I simple questioned him about it. For the early church observed the Torah. The proof has been provided. So as I said, the logical conclusion of that theology is that the early church fell from grace.
On Judaizing, you will be hard pressed to convict me of it. My understanding of the subject is that it is ones attempt to make others conform to Judaism.
That is not my intent, regardless of your best efforts to make it look as so.
I merely contend that the early church still observed the Sabbath, the dietary laws, basically the Torah, up to and including some of the temple sacrifices.
I have not, nor ever will say it is necesarry for salvation.
But, do feel free to misconstrue that which I have said, and asked, labeling me a pharisee and a Judaizer.
I think it ridiculous, but some people feel it helps establish their point.