lesbianism might be permissible?

Homosexuality is absolutly forbidden by BOTH genders.

Here is a verse pertaining specifically to women!

Romans 1:26
"...God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful..."

If you study this passage it is obviously talking about both homosexual women and men. It mentions the women are going out of nature, then it explains that men too are doing to the same stating that men are with men. Therefore, women with women is equally fobidden.

I think that this is a reference to inappropriate behavior with animals, since this was mentioned elsewhere in the Bible and was part of pagan religious practices. Lesbianism was neither.

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And how do you figure this?

Leviathan said:

And how do you figure this?

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First, if you look through the Old Testament laws, you will find that lesbianism is not mentioned once while inappropriate behavior with animals between a woman and an animal is mentioned.

Second, ancient people's did not consider sex between women possible because they defined sex as penetration by a male. Therefore, none of their fertility rituals involved lesbianism. However, their rituals did involve inappropriate behavior with animals. Since the passage links the described acts to pagan practices, it is likely that Paul was describing pagan sexual rituals. The only pagan rituals involving "unnatural" sex and women would be the ones involving inappropriate behavior with animals.

Note that Paul does not specify the type of sex in the verse describing the women. He only does this in the verse describing the men.

If you look closely in Leviticus, you will see that both women and men are given instructions on what is sin. If they were only speaking to men, they would not speak of women comitting adultery and inappropriate behavior with animals, and they also speak of many things surrounding childbirth and menstruation. Both men and women are spoken of in Leviticus, what they both need to do, and individual commandments. When Leviticus speaks of inappropriate behavior with animals, it speaks of both men and women doing it being wrong, but when it speaks of homosexuality, it only speaks of it being wrong for men. Now I'm not through yet. From that evidence, I do not think that it is a sin which is punished for two women to have sexual relations. However, not everything that is unprofitable is a sin, and I do think that women being in lesbian relationships is unprofitable from both the verse somebody quoted in Romans, and simply considering it in my heart. Think about this, it is not a sin to drink alcohol, in fact it is even a part of communion, however, drunkenness is spoken of many times in the bible as being unprofitable. The point of recieving Christ is to gain salvation, and to live with the spirit, not with the flesh. In the Bible, it is even recommended to go celibate. If you fail at celibacy, the only option the Bible speaks of that is approved by God is marriage. So lesbianism, even though it is not really a sin, is still unprofitable, and is still a bowing down to the flesh, which Christ came to conquer. Peace.

Hydro

It's just as unacceptable for girls to be gay as it is for guys to be gay.

If one is wrong it's likely that the other is wrong too.

i agree with ukok

Jude 6-7 Read Them

In Romans 1:26 "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature. verse 27; IN THE SAME WAY....

To me, this claims that men and women were doing the same thing.

And about the mutual masturbation thing. We are the Temple of God.... Do you think Jesus masturbated? Or enjoys watching it? No. Not when he detests sex outside of marriage.

The body is holy, given to another person through matrimony. And though I find these words hard to swallow myself, I must, for they are the Words of God.

Justmovinalong said:

In Romans 1:26 "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature. verse 27; IN THE SAME WAY....

To me, this claims that men and women were doing the same thing.

And about the mutual masturbation thing. We are the Temple of God.... Do you think Jesus masturbated? Or enjoys watching it? No. Not when he detests sex outside of marriage.

The body is holy, given to another person through matrimony. And though I find these words hard to swallow myself, I must, for they are the Words of God.

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"In the same way" refers to "natural use into that which is against nature." To an ancient reader, this would mean inappropriate behavior with animals for women and either inappropriate behavior with animals or homosexuality for men. This is why Paul needs to specify the practices of the men.

Homosexual Relations:

First they are spoken of also in Romans chapter 1.
Secondly, one is not permissable to marry the same sex, therefore there is no marriage contract binding. and would be sinful to assume otherwsie.
it would be considered another form of fornification.

Edouard.

Edouard said:

Homosexual Relations:

First they are spoken of also in Romans chapter 1.

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Please look at the discussion of this issue in this thread.

Secondly, one is not permissable to marry the same sex, therefore there is no marriage contract binding. and would be sinful to assume otherwsie.
it would be considered another form of fornification.

Edouard.

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Are you saying that a marriage is not recognized by some civil authority it isn't actually a marriage? If so, you are accusing the vast majority of married Christian couples in history of fornication.

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Please look at the discussion of this issue in this thread.



Are you saying that a marriage is not recognized by some civil authority it isn't actually a marriage? If so, you are accusing the vast majority of married Christian couples in history of fornication.

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well not really cos those christians would have been married by a pastor or vicar or whatever therefore its recognized by God, gay/lesbian marriages are recongnisable by neither.

It irritates me that when people try to bend the facts in the bible to meet their needs, although i am guilty of the same thing. however the bible also says that women are supposed to bow down to men and obey them. LIKE THAT WILL HAPPEN haha

cutekid 4 Jesus said:

well not really cos those christians would have been married by a pastor or vicar or whatever therefore its recognized by God, gay/lesbian marriages are recongnisable by neither.

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Same sex unions were blessed in the middle ages. They began to fall out of favor around the 12th century, but they still were performed into the 17th century.

Romans 1-23-30 says lesbianism is sin also.

JEREMY O'ROURKE said:

Romans 1-23-30 says lesbianism is sin also.

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It is much more probable that Romans 1 is discussing inappropriate behavior with animals involved in pagan rituals.

fragmentsofdreams said:

It is much more probable that Romans 1 is discussing inappropriate behavior with animals involved in pagan rituals.

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I have posted this once in this thread, but it's worth repeating..

Romans 1:26 -28 is not about inappropriate behavior with animals

If you look at Romans 1:23 You will see that it is talking about making idols/images and worshiping them, not having sex with them..and after that is when God gave the people up to "uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:"

When inappropriate behavior with animals is mentioned in His word it talks about laying with a beast, as in Deuteronomy 27:21 Leviticus 18:23, 20:15-16 and Exodus 22:19..

Love in Christ,
Nita

26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,

The verse discussing the women does not indicate that the sexual sin was women with women. It just says that they engaged in something unnatural. The phrase "between themselves" or something like it only appears in Rom 1:27, which discusses the men.

The women are doing something unnatural. Paul does not say what. However, we look to the OT to see what unnatural things a woman could do, inappropriate behavior with animals is the only thing. For Paul to discuss lesbianism would mean that he is discussing something not found in any other place in the Bible. Furthermore, Rom 1:21-23 seem to indicate that the acts described are related to some sort of pagan worship. inappropriate behavior with animals was a relatively common element in ancient pagan worship while lesbianism does not. All lines of evidence point to inappropriate behavior with animals.

feral said:

The bible was written that way because it was only addressed to men really. In the times when it was written, society didn't take the actions of women into account. For the record, I see nothing wrong with gay, lesbian or straight relationships, regardless of anything in the bible.

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...regardelss of anything in the bible.

Hmmm...keep reading in the Romans ref and soon you come to...

Vs 28: And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient