Do You Believe Tithing Is

  • Same today as in old testament

  • Different today

  • Robbing God if neglected

  • Not sure


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No, Jesus said keeping 90% was insufficient charity.

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites. You pay tithes of mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier things of the law: judgment and mercy and fidelity. (But) these you should have done, without neglecting the others. Blind guides, who strain out the gnat and swallow the camel!

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites. You cleanse the outside of cup and dish, but inside they are full of plunder and self-indulgence. Blind Pharisee, cleanse first the inside of the cup, so that the outside also may be clean.

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites. You are like whitewashed tombs, which appear beautiful on the outside, but inside are full of dead men's bones and every kind of filth. Even so, on the outside you appear righteous, but inside you are filled with hypocrisy and evildoing."

How do they get the camel through the strainer -- that's what I'd like to know!
 
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>>Do you believe the old testament method of tithing is the same for Christians today?

We are under the coventant that Abraham has with God. He tithed to Melchizedek the King of Salem, which is the current location for Jerusalem. Melchizedek is a type of Christ, a priesthood with no beginning and no end.

Just as Abraham tithed, so should we. The law was given 900 years later. I do not believe we should tithe to the levi's. Although I am sure they would like to have your money. Thanks, JohnR&
 
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Faith requires action; and tithing is one such action. Interestingly, the reverse isn't true. If one tithes, you can't say if he does or does not have faith. But if he has faith, one of the ways to show it is to tithe.

"As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead." James 2:26
 
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Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that (there shall) not (be room) enough (to receive it). Mal 3: 10 Lets look at this as a promise that God made and not get too legalistic about it.

My 2c worth comment:
Everyone gets nervous when money is the topic of the conversation or discussion. After all, it's our hard earned money. Have you ever sing any chorus that sounds like this:
"Oh Lord, I give everything but my 10%.
Oh Jesus, I give you my life but my money."

... I think not!
Put your words into action. ;)
 
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>>How do they get the camel through the strainer -- that's what I'd like to know!

That just means that people nit pick over little tiny things and ignore great big huge things. I saw it at the English Speaking Church in Hong Kong. I use to kid them about it, that if there were a dead body on the side walk they would step over it, and then pick on their companion because her hair style was not just right. That sort of stuff. People are dieing and going to hell all over the place but if a outfit does not quite match up right, they would give the person a hard time about it. They would pick on meaningless little things and ignore the really big and important stuff. Thanks, JohnR7
 
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"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites. You pay tithes of mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier things of the law: judgment and mercy and fidelity. (But) these you should have done, without neglecting the others. Blind guides, who strain out the gnat and swallow the camel!

THESE YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE WITHOUT NEGLECTING THE OTHERS, THE WRONG WAS NEGLECTING JUDGMENT MERCY AND FEDELITY. not thithing. he said to tithe THESE YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE. but they forget the other, more weighty matters.

people use that verse against tithing alot, but it doenst say tithing is wrong, but that neglected the rest is wrong.

THESE YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE
he sanctioned tithing and the things they were doing.
WITHOUT NEGLECTING THE OTHERS
but said they were wrong for what they WERENT DOING.theres simply alot more to living right that tithing.
not that tithing is wrong.
yes, we should tithe.

tithing isnt being a slave or servant of god, though paul said he was THE SLAVE OF GOD, and more than once i think.

god does give commandements, even today, he does have commandments. jesus told us to do many things, to love to be holy, many many things.
and we should obey them.
we should hear the words of jesus and obey them, as jesus said to do.
and jesus did agree with them tithing.

obeying him when he sanctioned tithing, is no diffrent than obeying him when he said TO LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.
and whether you think your a servant or not, you need to obey him.

haha, THEY DONT STRAIN CAMELS! THEY CONSUME THEM. :p
they strain nats, ya know, like putting a bunch of stuff into a sifter and shaking and only the small things fall through the wholes?
they are only willing to give away little nats, but are quick to take and devour great camels.
its simply saying they wont away give very much, but they are very quick to take great amounts for themselves.

i just hope ol HERVEY doesnt get into this, haha.
we never did come a conclusion about this.
 
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Dear Johnr7;

You claim "We are the covenant that Abrahan has with God." If so did God

1. Promise you and your family the land of Israel? (Genesis 15:18 /17:8)

2. Have you manditorialy circumcise your male family members? (Genesis 17:11-14)


Here's a question for those who claim to be Jews and are not. Do you support a tax exempt denomination refusing to give to Cesar (The Government)? Jesus never encouraged such a practice. (Luke 20:23-25)
 
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Dear Bgoh;

Your post reply is very confusing!

1. You asked, What are we talking about here?
Question: Where is "Here?"

2. "Should we thithe?
Answer: Was not asking if we should tithe or not, but if we should tithe today as they did in old testament time.

3. "Are we neglecting the social concerns?"
Answer: Did not ask you that question.

4. What chapter are you asking me to read to answer what?

Please keep it simple as I have tried to ask a simple question!
 
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:confused: confused about your question! I'm sorry. :o
Okay, the chapter I'm refering to is Matt 23. The whole of Matt 23. If you can read Matt 22 and Matt 24 that's even better.

if we should tithe today as they did in old testament time

do you mean by this:
And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, [even] of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD. Lev 27:32.

or do you mean this:
... ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin ... Matt 23: 23

If you want to talk about how they tithe in Old Testtament time, I think Lev 27:32 would be the way.
 
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I do tithe, and also give alms, and offerings. Whether this is a REQUIREMENT for today is (in my mind) irrelevant. The church needs funds to function, the preacher needs time to study, learn, and grow in wisdom. It is difficult to do that working 40 hours a week, maintaining a relationship with his family, and fulfilling his obligations to the church. So if my money can free him up from having to work a job so he can be a better preacher then am I not doing the work of God?

I also deduct as much of my charitable contributions as possible. Most of my charitable contributions go directly to the people who need it and isn't wasted on administrative costs or going to questionable sources, and usually these contributions have no documentation to allow for tax deductions. I pay to the government ONLY the amount that I am obligated to pay, since they use the money to support programs that promote sin, laziness, murder, etc.

The only question in my mind is why a person would NOT want to help support the work of God? You are not required to support a tv preacher, you can support a church which has open books to allow you to see where the money goes. If your heart is right you'll want to serve God, not just with lip service, but with your time, and money. If you think you can't afford to give God any money then you need to study your bible and learn that God knows what things you have need of, and will supply.
 
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