Massive Volcanic events and earth impact catastrophies falsify young earth creationis

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Jet Black said:
not to be rude, but could you use an easier to read font?

incidentally, I can't see what you are getting at, sorry.

The eruption of Mt. St. Helens produced a flow of ash and fragmented volcanic rock (not lava) and a flow of mud and WATER produced by water coming from deep within the volcano, or earth, and melt-off of snow around the mountain. The mud and water flow was the most devestating element of the eruption.


Genesis 7:11
In the [Gen 7:6] six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on the same day all [Gen 8:2] the fountains of the great deep burst open, and the floodgates of the sky were opened.
(Whole Chapter: Genesis 7 In context: Genesis 7:10-12)
NASB
 
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admtaylor said:
The eruption of Mt. St. Helens produced a flow of ash and fragmented volcanic rock (not lava) and a flow of mud and WATER produced by water coming from deep within the volcano, or earth, and melt-off of snow around the mountain. The mud and water flow was the most devestating element of the eruption.

aah yes, this water from volcanoes is a common feature in large explosions of this type. it still causes problems though because a) it is all superheated and b) there isn't actually an awful lot of it. remember you are talking about enough water to coat the earth in miles deep of water, I did a loose calculation a while back and came up with a water rising rate of several feel per minute, globally.... that's a heck of alot of water. if it all came from volcanoes like st Helens, then it would boil the entire planet and cover it in a really really thick layer of ash.... not to mention the fact that all the water would have to go somewhere. ( I didn't do calculations on how fast the water would have to recede, but it is probably a similar rate.)

If all that water came from a few specific locations, then the release rate would have been absolutely tremendous, even if it seeped out from all the fault lines simultaneously it would have left a mark... and there is no evidence for this. If it came from all over the planet, then again there would be evidence, and it would still be a tremendous rate of outpouring remember several feet of water globally per minute is alot of water.

not even to mention all the myriad of other problems.
 
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If all that water came from a few specific locations, then the release rate would have been absolutely tremendous, even if it seeped out from all the fault lines simultaneously... and there is no evidence for this. If it came from all over the planet, then again there would be evidence, and it would still be a tremendous rate of outpouring remember several feet of water globally per minute is alot of water.

not even to mention all the myriad of other problems.

I'll be the first to admit I'm not officially schooled in these areas, but I do research to find answers. So I will do more research and come back with an answer later. K?
 
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right we have an earth radius os 6300km, and assuming a water height of 5000m (about 3km lower than everest) we get a total water volume of:

2.4*10^18 cubic metres. (that is alot, the volume of the oceans is estimated at about 1.3*10^18 cubic metres)

over a surface area of 4.8+10^14 square metres.

a total water height of 5000 metres over roughly 1000 hours (40 days) gives a water rise of 5m/hr... this is global remember.

so that gives a total outpour rate of about 2.4 * 10^15 cubic metres per hour globally.
 
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okay, so let us say that this is belting out of what, 10,000 volcanoes like st helens at 10 square kilometres each. that gives us a total ourpouring rate per volcano of about 2.4*10^10 cubic metres per hour per volcano, or about 2.4*10^4 cubic metres of water per hour per square metre of volcano.

that is alot of water, basically a 25km long column of pure water per hour. and we haven't even evaporated it yet. lets do that next for fun to see how much energy it would require, because I am enjoying this now.
 
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we need 2.5*10^9 joules to boil 1 cubic metre of water, assuming the water is already at 100 degrees. over our entire volume of water, that is a total power of about 10^21 watts. that is about 10^-6 of of the power of the sun, not bad, but we currently get only about 10^-15 of that energy, so it would require a brightening of the sun by about 10^11 times.

slap on some sunscreen.

of course it wouldn't all be boiled like this, I am just providing it as an example, since all the water from st helens was in the form of vapour. but I could always do some pressure calculations if you like to estimate the pressure at which the water must have been jettisoned out. they will be big numbers though, and probably higher than the pressure downwards due to gravity, which would mean that the water would be launched into space (never hitting the earth and causing a flood) or just ripping the planet apart.

as you can see though, even with 10000 volcanoes of 10 square kilometers each erupting nothing but liquid water for 40 solid days, you have a major problem on your hands, since there is no evidence. I have not taken precipitation into account in this, but even if you were to factor rain in, you aren't going to get rid of several orders of magnitude from the volcanoes.

just to quote, some extreme rainfall records include nearly 1.2 m of rain in one day during a typhoon at Baguio, Philippines; 0.3 m within one hour during a thunderstorm at Holt, Missouri; and 0.063 m in over a 5-minute period at Portobelo, Panama. these are real extremes, and you would need some really really odd weather to be able to maintain those sorts of conditions for 40 days.
 
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well say we have 1.2*10^18 m*3 of water in the air. that is about 1.2*10^21 kg of water (water density 1000kg/cubic metre)

well the atmosphere is only about 5.3 x 10^18 kg so we would see a pressure increase of about a thousandfold if all that water were dumped into the atmosphere..... assuming that it could all exist as vapour (remembering that 1/4 of the atmosphere by volume up to the cloud tops consists of water by this assumption) even stretching your distance up to 200 km you are still faced with the same problem. you might be more likely to get away with it if you streteched it out to 1000 km, but that is the upper limit on the thickness of the earth's atmosphere! and you still get a thousandfold pressure increase.
 
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And why did God not create the whole thing in one go, rather than working over 6 and then resting? But that is perhaps for another thread. For the moment I will remind everyone that the mountains rising up after or during the flood would generate enough heat to melt the Earth's crust.
 
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"The eruption of Mt. St. Helens produced a flow of ash and fragmented volcanic rock (not lava) and a flow of mud and WATER produced by water coming from deep within the volcano, or earth, and melt-off of snow around the mountain. The mud and water flow was the most devestating element of the eruption."

One must remember that there are many different types of volcanic erruptions. Volcanos can gently ooze out lava, shoot it into the sky, or a bomb that sinks an island (krakatoa). This has to do with the gas (mainly water and CO2) and silica mixture (quartz). The type of lava that is emitted then determines the the formations we find and the shape of the volcano.

MT ST Helens was under fairly high pressure and about a third of the volcano was blown off during the eruption. Helens did produce lava, don't know why you said it didn't. Most of the water in the mudslide actually didn't come from the erruption. The heat from the volcano melted the snow and ice which created the initial mudflow. The eruption caused so much debris that it dammed up nearby water drain offs. These weak natural dams retained water and then broke, causing yet more mud slides.

The water that does come out of the volcano is in vapor form and extremely hot. It must first rise up into the atmosphere and return as rain if it were to ever have an impact on land.

Nice try but you missed out on some very major points and attributed the water to the wrong source.
 
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