Bush military record lies exposed on 60 minutes?

There was a fascinating edition of Fresh Air on NPR yesterday. Wyane Slater, co-author of Bush's Brain, talks about Carl Rove and his influence on the political process. Listen if you have time:

http://freshair.npr.org/day_fa.jhtml?display=day&todayDate=09/08/2004

The SBVFT camaign has Carl Rove written all over it.

A writer on Democracy Now! says this particular TANG unit was called "Air Canada" because of all the rich white draft dodgers whose connected daddies got them pushed to the top of a VERY long waiting list to get in.

Starscream said:

Oh. As far as I'm concerned, Bush cutting in line with the ANG is old news anyhow.

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Funny how fast your tone changed.

Who else changes his stripes? Barnes changes his story and now on someone else's fundraising team. Whose? Oh yeah Kerry - When is Kerry going to demand the texas guys shut up? WHen are the Kerry lawyers going to send threats to the tv stations about to air these new anti-bush ads?

Too funny

MethodMan said:

Barnes changes his story and now on someone else's fundraising team.

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Not so much - the earlier contention was that he didn't directly get Bush in - per his recent claim, he did use his influence to help him get in, though.

When is Kerry going to demand the texas guys shut up?

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Let's see if the Bush camps starts asking him to.

WHen are the Kerry lawyers going to send threats to the tv stations about to air these new anti-bush ads?

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If it's shown that the Texans for Truth are illegally coordinating with the Kerry campaign, it's well within Bush's rights to file an FEC complaint as Kerry did re: the Swifties.

MethodMan said:

Funny how fast your tone changed.

Who else changes his stripes? Barnes changes his story and now on someone else's fundraising team. Whose? Oh yeah Kerry - When is Kerry going to demand the texas guys shut up? WHen are the Kerry lawyers going to send threats to the tv stations about to air these new anti-bush ads?

Too funny

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How about when someone proves that they are not spreading blatant truths...

As the swift boat people were proven to be lying VERY early on.

If the Texans for Truth are lying (and the articles documenting this thread prove that they are not), then they should get shut down.

Of course, so should the Swifties... And Bush said, "Hey. Stop."

If he'd have actually requested them to stop, instead of hemming and hawwing about 527's and other stuff that he signed into law, maybe you could take a request to stop the Texan's true ad.

Of course, the 'big news' in the 60 Minutes 'exposé,' the one getting a good chunk of attention, is Ben Barnes revelation that he was 'pressured' by the Bush's to put George W. in the TANG when he was a lieutenant governor...

Barnes admits that while he was elected to the post of Lieutenant Governor of Texas in 1968, he didn't assume the position until 1969. Just like Nixon wasn't president at Christmas 1968; he was the president-elect.

George W. Bush enlisted in the National Guard in May, 1968. Five months before Barnes was in a position to get him into the Guard.

I supposed this memory is 'seared--seared' in Barnes' mind as well.

hehehehe. oooops. Good one.

This is what I mean though. Facts are soooo important and key to our understanding of the issue at hand. Same goes for the SBVFT.

Dang.

Here, I thought the big news was that the WH hid documents and lied about them for 5 years.

Voter said:

How about when someone proves that they are not spreading blatant truths...

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LOL Blantant truths?

As the swift boat people were proven to be lying VERY early on.

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No they haven't. All anyone has been able to do is spin some facts.

If the Texans for Truth are lying (and the articles documenting this thread prove that they are not), then they should get shut down.

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There is a lot more missing from these articles than anything else.

Of course, so should the Swifties... And Bush said, "Hey. Stop."

If he'd have actually requested them to stop, instead of hemming and hawwing about 527's and other stuff that he signed into law, maybe you could take a request to stop the Texan's true ad.

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Interesting outlook on reality there.

CNS thinks the memos are a fake

Look the font 187th superscript. Tooo funny

Borealis said:

Of course, the 'big news' in the 60 Minutes 'exposé,' the one getting a good chunk of attention, is Ben Barnes revelation that he was 'pressured' by the Bush's to put George W. in the TANG when he was a lieutenant governor...

Barnes admits that while he was elected to the post of Lieutenant Governor of Texas in 1968, he didn't assume the position until 1969. Just like Nixon wasn't president at Christmas 1968; he was the president-elect.

George W. Bush enlisted in the National Guard in May, 1968. Five months before Barnes was in a position to get him into the Guard.

I supposed this memory is 'seared--seared' in Barnes' mind as well.

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Ben Barnes was Texas Speaker of the House for many years before he became Lt. Governor. Perhaps he had a bit of pull, there.

Starscream said:

I don't know, Kerry was rocked hard the whole month of August by the SBVFT gang, and it has affected his lead in the polls.

Let's see how Bush stands up to the same treatment.

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LOL!!!


Not so fast!

Bush has been publically demonized since his run for presidency in 2000. And it's been pretty much non-stop ever since. The issue of his military record is nothing new for him to face. No new records have been discovered since the 2000 election......so, they're beating a dead horse with this issue. No new ideas. (I wonder if this is any indication of how Kerry will handle being at the helm.)

Michael Moore, MoveOn.org and others, have been non-stop beating their anti-Bush drums - long, loud and clear, for quite some time. I doubt very much Bush is ill-prepared to face the same treatment yet once more.

Like I said, their only focus should be plans on current issues, and a vision for the future of this country. All this back and forth mud-slinging is a disgrace......and dragging the military into it makes matters worse.

And before anyone jumps to the wrong conclusions about me, I speak out with just as much disgust, against Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, Swiftvet.org, and all others involved in this level of propiganda.

Enough is enough!!!

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Voter said:

Ben Barnes was Texas Speaker of the House for many years before he became Lt. Governor. Perhaps he had a bit of pull, there.

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Yep, it was while he was Speaker of the House...

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040828_945.html

Barnes, who was House speaker when Bush entered the Guard, later became lieutenant governor.

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Voter said:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040909/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_national_guard

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Notice the complete sentence structure there? "Suspended from flight status."

If you've read my, oh last dozen posts or so, I freely admitted he was suspended from flight status. But the statement from pearlz was simply that he was suspended without any further explanation. This implies something negative. But as I've said countless times before, it was routine for pilots to have their flight status suspended for reasons I enumerated countless times before. It was not a big thing as measured by Guard standards.

burrow owl said:

If he was suspended from flying, it sorta makes you wonder about the veracity of his autobiography, in which he writes something like 'I finished my service flying for the NG.'

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Just curious, could you be more specific, as this would be a kink in his armor, more than anything brought up regarding his Guard service.

As for the "jumping ahead of the line", even my father tried to get me in earlier than I did, him being a retired instructor at West Point and a Bronze Star recipient. It didn't work, but I will be forever grateful that my father tried. Would any of you, given the same opportunity, taken such an offer? Or would you have declined, and jumped on the first boat to VN?

I also mentioned that the movie-star, Dean Martin, pulled strings to get his son into my Guard unit. Welcome to the real world, gentlemen.

It's interesting all the liberal/Democrats are so adamant about calling Bush's enlistment in the guard as "shirking", and have so little memory of Bill Clinton's run to Europe (including Moscow). Selective judgment?

PatrickM said:

It's interesting all the liberal/Democrats are so adamant about calling Bush's enlistment in the guard as "shirking", and have so little memory of Bill Clinton's run to Europe (including Moscow). Selective judgment?

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Or about how Kerry asked for deferments himself to go to Paris? He was turned down and enlisted in the Navy to avoid being drafted into the Army.

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Hey, maybe Bush just happened to have misplaced the less-than-flattering documents. And maybe it's true that this just happens to have happened several times (a call for more docs, more are reluctantly released, 'There, that's all of them.' a call for.......).

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Shades of the Rose Law Firm's billing records amazingly appearing on a coffee table at the White House?

Word on the street is that Rove/Bush is having all FOIA requests funnelled through the White House. They must have misplaced some even better stuff.

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Come, come now. "Street"? Which "street"? "MoveOn.org St."?

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/George-W.-Bush-military-service-controversy said:

Former Texas legislator Jake Johnson has stated that before General Rose died, he told Johnson that he had been responsible for Bush's acceptance into the Guard. Both George W. Bush and his father have stated that they did not ask Adger to intercede and were unaware of any action he may have taken. Walter Staudt, the colonel in command of Bush's squadron, has stated that he accepted Bush's application without receiving any outside pressure to do so. It has been reported that Bush jumped to the top of a list of over 500 applicants for the position despite receiving the minimum passing score (25) on the pilot entrance aptitude test and listing no other qualifications.

Serving in the same unit as Bush were the sons of other prominent men, including the sons of Democratic Governor John Connally, Democratic Senator and future Vice-Presidential nominee Lloyd Bentsen, and Republican Senator John Tower, as well as seven members of the Dallas Cowboys professional football club, and a man named James R. Bath, who would become a longtime friend of Bush's. The unit in which Bush served was known as a "Champagne unit," where the scions of the Texas aristocracy could avoid combat duty with relatively few demands on their time.

The Air National Guard did see limited Vietnam service in 1965 and 1968, and a pilot program to consider using F-102 airplanes as bombers in Vietnam was underway. According to a pilot from Bush's squadron, Bush inquired about this program but was advised by a supervisor (Maj. Maurice Udell) that he did not have the necessary experience (500 hours) at the time and that the program was winding down and not accepting more volunteers.

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Food for thot.