The White Horse (Rev. 6)

You place some Temple incident after 95AD. Which Temple is that and it seems inconsistent with your logic?

Just The Facts said:

In Matthew 24 Jesus says the first thing that will take place after his death is False Christianity followed by the destruction of the Temple.
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Which follows what and why does Jesus refer to Daniel in Matthew 24:15??

Which chapter in Daniel does Jesus refer to? Without that matching up in your analysis, you cannot use the full back up of Matthew 24 to support your argument. Jesus referred to A CHAPTER IN DANIEL.

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So many Churches teach that this is happening to day.

The truth is it had already started in 95AD and the Doctrines of Men slowly over time put to no avail the words of Jesus.

We are SOOOOOOO FAAAARRRRRR from the Truth that was Christianity in the first century,If those Christians rose today they would say we are heretics polluting Gods word.

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Wills said:

False Christianity PEAKED at its strength centuries after Christ ascended to Heaven.


Just after Christ ascended, Christianity was just being started , after Pentecost

it took off. What we know as False Christianity took root well after the first couple

of centuries after Christ.

Papal Rome grew in power well into the SECOND Millenium after Christ.

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You've hit the mark Wills. For false christianity had it's start with the first church that John writes to in Revelation. Notice the remark that Jesus makes in regards to the Nicolaitanes in verse 6 of the 2nd chapter.

6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

Also look at how Jesus praises this church for exposing false theachers.

2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

From there, except for Sardis, each church continues to slip into apostacy until the luke warm ones arrive.

Wills said:

What we know as False Christianity took root well after the first couple

of centuries after Christ.

Papal Rome grew in power well into the SECOND Millenium after Christ.

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What happend was the reign of Constantine the Great. He firmly planted the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes into the Roman Church. Alot of the things that the church held as false from then own through today are now being practiced in many Protestant Churches because many of them came out of her.

I wonder why in every research that I've done on Constantine he is clothed in white and on a white horse? I just can't figure it out.

Hi

It is confussing to many people, because they do not understand that there are TWO DIFFERENT sets of abominations many before Jesus comes Daniel 9: and 11: and one before his return Daniel 8: & 12: & Matt 24:

Does that clear it up for you.?


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Willis Papal Rome grew to power in 552 AD I believe.

That is when the Pope was made ruler over the Western Empire by Justinian. Though this complete power did not last cause of logistics.

This fact is not known by many but the Pope had Legal regency over all kings and Queens under Roman Law.

Even Catholic Cannons state that the pope has authority over all temporal Kingdoms. The Power to seize land relocate or expel from office all government officials or positions of Royalty.

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cbk said:

I know the way you fill. But, in my spirit, I believe we are close to the first trumpet, but, of course, I am compelled to explain the seven seals.

The seals to me, IF they have already happened, which, of course, is subject to debate, could be (to me) the following:

Seal 1 -- Polluted Christianity starting with the Roman Empire.
Seal 2 -- Birth of Islam
Seal 3 -- ????
Seal 4 -- Black Death Plague over Europe and Asia
Seal 5 -- A heavenly event with no earthly way of knowing the date
Seal 6 -- War -- possible dawn of Atomic Age
Seal 7 -- ????

Just looking at the seals from a LONG-TERM perspective and not within a seven year period. Because I believe prophecy passes with few if any realizing them until after they happen, I was just studying the possibility that many of us are looking for events to happen in the future which may have already taken place in the past! This seems typical, especially with the Jews looking for the first coming of the Messiah when it took place in the past.

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seal #1 false christ
#2 war
#3 famine
#4 death
#5 martyred remanant
#6 anarchy
#7 silience in heaven

trumpets
#1 hail and fire mingled with blood cast upon the earththird part of trees was burnt up and all green grass
#2 great mountain burning with fire was cast into sea became blood


forget it none of this has happened yet

No all of the seals have happened up to seal six.

Just The Facts said:

Hi

It is confussing to many people, because they do not understand that there are TWO DIFFERENT sets of abominations many before Jesus comes Daniel 9: and 11: and one before his return Daniel 8: & 12: & Matt 24:

Does that clear it up for you.?


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To avoid generalising, name them to identify what you are referring to.

1-Name who the abomination is in Daniel 9:26 and its date before Christ

2- Name the one in Daniel 11:36-45 with its date

HOW COULD 2 different abominations exist after Christ's 1st advent?

3- Explain your point and If in your opinion , one of the post- Christ abominations has come already, name that one.

name when THE ABOMINATION IN Daniel 8:9-14 came AFTER CHRIST
It seems identical to the one in DANIEL 8:24-25

4 HORSES
Black Red White Grey
THE LORD says HIS SPIRIT is set on the black horse

This is very surprising

What do you make of it?

Zechariah 6:1
And I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came four chariots out from between two mountains; and the mountains
[were] mountains of brass.

Zechariah 6:2
In the first chariot [were] red horses; and in the second chariot black horses;

Zechariah 6:3
And in the third chariot white horses; and in the fourth chariot grisled and bay horses.

Zechariah 6:4
Then I answered and said unto the angel that talked with me, What [are] these, my lord?

Zechariah 6:5
And the angel answered and said unto me, These [are] the four spirits of the heavens, which go forth from standing before the Lord of all the
earth.

Zechariah 6:6
The black horses which [are] therein go forth into the north country; and the white go forth after them; and the grisled go forth toward the
south country.

Zechariah 6:7
And the bay went forth, and sought to go that they might walk to and fro through the earth: and he said, Get you hence, walk to and fro
through the earth. So they walked to and fro through the earth.

Zechariah 6:8
Then cried he upon me, and spake unto me, saying, Behold, these that go toward the north country have set my spirit at rest in the north country.

I answer all those questions in the Post on Daniel 9:

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Just The Facts said:

I answer all those questions in the Post on Daniel 9:

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I can't find it JTF. Where is this post?

It is very big couldn't fit it in one post.

http://www.christianforums.com/t49017&page=3

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vinsight4u said:

I haven't read much of what anyone has written so far as replies to you. Have you looked at the horses in Zec. 6? white, red, black.

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Please go back and at least review all the post. We are learning from one another and it helps to keep the context of this string together. We have covered the horses of Zec 6.
How is it that one can say that the leaders of Iraq are the riders of the white horse?
White in the Word is symbolic of peacefulness, and purity. Sadam peaceful? Sadam pure?
The rider of this horse is one who rides in on peace and purity but carries a weapon of war. He is a deciever. Why his weapon is even deceptive for it has no arrow. Or does it? One always associates the bow with arrows.
This rider is one who demands aleaguence by going forth to conquer. Has Sadam conqured anything? Kuwaite?

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