The same old lame arguments are trolled out on this site ...
http://www.christiananswers.net/menu-ar1.html
http://www.christiananswers.net/menu-ar1.html
Annoying anti-Catholic ignorance grrrr...
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Hoonbaba
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It's interesting how there's a few testimonies, one by a Catholic priest who clearly didn't understand his faith correctly. And this, sadly, is a problem I see with lots of Catholics. They have a 'different' understanding of Catholicism, and so outwardly, there's little or no real devotion to Christ.
Now the big question is: How do we get people to realize that Christ is someone we can experience on a daily basis, like one example being the Eucharist??
-Jason
Now the big question is: How do we get people to realize that Christ is someone we can experience on a daily basis, like one example being the Eucharist??
-Jason
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According to that site, the Didache was an "Early Church Father"!!! Hehehehe!!!
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/sola-scriptura-earlychurch.html
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Hoonbaba said:
I guess lively faith is caught rather than taught.
I will ponder that one ...
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Hoonbaba said:
Sheesh, the Church is a powerful organisation, and falls prey to the temptations of power. It does seem all too easy for the organisational and ritual aspects of the Church to become divorced from the spiritual reality at the centre.
The form of self-salvation that priest got into seems more like Buddhism to me.
It is so painful that there are so many within the Church who miss the point.
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Hoonbaba
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Papist said:
By the way, it looks like Dave Armstrong wrote a bunch that refutes that claim that the early Fathers taught sola scriptura. And it was posted on his site a few days ago, how convenient =)
http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ122.HTM
-Jason
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Hoonbaba said:
I can see how it happens. For a person with a deep faith and understanding of the Church's teachings, the sacraments are a means of grace. However, his children might get the idea that the sacraments are magic tricks that get you into heaven. There are no guarantees that our children will share our personal faith and then the sacramentality of our faith just becomes shallow ritual to them.
The things of the Church only make sense in a context of personal faith.
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I can't remember what site it was but I got upset once at the blatant misrepresentation of the Church's teachings so I e-mailed the webmaster and we got into an e-mail debate. This was a few years ago. He never changed anything......
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Hoonbaba
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Papist said:
Yea, when I was a protestant, the whole 'ritual' aspect of Catholicism really turned me off, especially when I come across those Catholics who simply go with the flow.
Protestants seem to emphasize the personal faith, but at the same time, that's all they emphasize. I guess personal faith is where it begins, but sacramentalism is where the personal faith expands into something greater??
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Hoonbaba said:
That's a good way to put it ... and we should be teaching our kids about our personal faith alongside our sacramental faith, and emphasising that the two go together.
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Hoonbaba said:
This one by Patrick Madrid is also PRICELESS:
http://www.ewtn.com/library/SCRIPTUR/SOLASCRI.txt
Here's another one... ya know, it's amazing what people will do to twist reality to fit their own warped perceptions:
http://www.catholicdefender.com/Apologetics/Protestantism/nashss.htm
What is more, since Protestantism is all relative, based on how one interprets the Holy Bible for oneself, who's to say who is correct, and who's got the authority to tell the Catholics they are wrong when technically, we've got "just as much probability" of being right as they do...
That's not God's plan people!!!
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My friend told me about some book called THE DA VINCI CODE (a conspiracy theory novel) where someone discovers that the Catholic Church is profoundly sinister. Hmmmmm......it's just the latest incarnation of Catholic conspiracy theories, along w/many others. The sad thing is that many people read FICTION as if it were TRUTH. LEFT BEHIND is an example of this.
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I know I say it all the time, but I really think everyone should get this book:
Scripture Alone?: 21 Reasons to Reject Sola Scriptura
The book blows Sola Scriptura away!
Scripture Alone?: 21 Reasons to Reject Sola Scriptura
The book blows Sola Scriptura away!
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Filia Mariae
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Please guys, don't give me the names of anymore sites where I can spend my time trying to argue with these people!
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Filia Mariae
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Uh-huh, riiiiight."It is necessary to obey those who are the presbyters in the Church, those who as we have shown, have succession from the Apostles; those who have received, with the succession of the episcopate, the sure charism of truth according to the good pleasure of the Father."
St Irenaeus
"Polycarp, however, was instructed not only by the Apostles, and conversed with many who had seen Christ, but was also appointed bishop of the Church in Smyrna, by the Apostles in Asia. I saw him in my early youth; for he tarried a long time, and when quite old he departed this life in a glorious and most noble martyrdom. He always taught those things which he had learned from the Apostles, and the Church had handed down, and which are true. To these things all the Churches in Asia bear witness, as do also the successors of Polycarp even to the present time."
St Irenaeus
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Like you said, Carly:
"Since therefore we have such proofs, it is not necessary to seek the truth among others which it is easy to obtain from the Church; since the apostles, like a rich man [depositing his money] in a bank, lodged in her hands most copiously all things pertaining to the truth: so that every man, whosoever will, can draw from her the water of life. For she is the entrance to life; all others are thieves and robbers. On this account are we bound to avoid them, but to make choice of the thing pertaining to the Church with the utmost diligence, and to lay hold of the tradition of the truth. For how stands the case? Suppose there arise a dispute relative to some important question among us, should we not have recourse to the most ancient Churches with which the apostles held constant intercourse, and learn from them what is certain and clear in regard to the present question? For how should it be if the apostles themselves had not left us writings? Would it not be necessary, [in that case,] to follow the course of the tradition which they handed down to those to whom they did commit the Churches?
"To which course many nations of those barbarians who believe in Christ do assent, having salvation written in their hearts by the Spirit, without paper or ink, and, carefully preserving the ancient tradition, believing in one God, the Creator of heaven and earth, and all things therein, by means of Christ Jesus, the Son of God; who, because of His surpassing love towards His creation, condescended to be born of the virgin, He Himself uniting man through Himself to God, and having suffered under Pontius Pilate, and rising again, and having been received up in splendour, shall come in glory, the Saviour of those who are saved, and the Judge of those who are judged, and sending into eternal fire those who transform the truth, and despise His Father and His advent. Those who, in the absence of written documents, have believed this faith, are barbarians, so far as regards our language; but as regards doctrine, manner, and tenor of life, they are, because of faith, very wise indeed; and they do please God, ordering their conversation in all righteousness, chastity, and wisdom. If any one were to preach to these men the inventions of the heretics, speaking to them in their own language, they would at once stop their ears, and flee as far off as possible, not enduring even to listen to the blasphemous address. Thus, by means of that ancient tradition of the apostles, they do not suffer their mind to conceive anything of the [doctrines suggested by the] portentous language of these teachers, among whom neither Church nor doctrine has ever been established."
- Irenaeus, "Against the Heresies" (Book 3, Chapter 4)
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Polish Guy Wo Loves God
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Typical Protestant trash(nothing against any Protestants who monitor this forum). The Virgin Mary was not a sinner, she was born without original sin, something even Jesus had to have baptized away! And whe do not treat her as an idol, that is an unfair stereotype of Catholic worship
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Astounding. I hear cries and complaints from the Roman Catholics on this particular discussion forum talk about how they are ridiculed and such by Protestants and non-Christians, yet all I see is threads such as this that promote anti-Protestantism. Interesting. Isn't there a rule against this?
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