Corrupted Bibles

aforechrist,

How have you arrived at that conclusion? Have you read any books on the subject? If so, which ones?

"Dear LouiseBooth;

Reading every version isn't the issue, proper translation is.
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First of all there is no e in my name. Second. Any translation is basically flawed for the simple reason that it is a translation. So Like I said, to be techinical all of them are flawed but they are still great for study.

Originally posted by aforchrist33
Dear Apologist;

Welcome to our ministry!

Sorry to hear of your ilness. Maby this will help. I believe God gave everyone the brain to look in a dictionary for the meaning of the closest version to the original there is. And the holy Spirit to let us know that other versions do not agree with the original ..... These things have I written unto you (concerning them that seduce you)...... But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and (ye need not that any man teach you): but as the same (anointing teacheth you of all things), and (in truth), and is no lie, and even as (it hath taught you), ye shall abide in him. 1 John 2:26,27

Hope you feel better. God bless!

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Illness? Well I would rather be called "Ill" than argue the sillyness of the KJV-Only camp's rhetoric.
Dictionary? You sure don't know much about textual criticism when you mention looking up words in a dictionary.
Most scholars would disagree with your viewpoint but I imagine your vast experience in textual criticism along with a knowledge of the original languages would make you more qualified. I have better things to do than argue with the cult-like arguments of the KJV-only people who only believe what they believe because of a prejudice of the Alexandrian texts.

Originally posted by Dave Ulchers


Jesus never studied.

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Now there is a silly statement! Jesus created the universe and is omniscient, why then would He need to study? You my friend are a created being, He is the Creator. HUGE difference!

Lets broaden our thinking a little bit. We've been discussing the which English translated bibles being accurate. What about other languages for example an unknown tribe in Amazon jungle?? I believe the scholars are translating bible carefully and prayerfully. How accurate do you think this translation going to be? They do not have KJV in their own language, this may be the very first translation they going to get. Now, les go back to the English translated bibles, someone got saved by reading the Good News bible (I know a lot of people do not consider the Good News bible as a proper translation at all), well it's the work of the Holy Spirit that this person got saved.
Accuracy is important, in fact, it's very important. But what I pray that is we won't get into the debates like the scribes and Pharisee in Jesus' time. I'm sure the Holy Spirit is at work when the translation is being done.

Here's my conclusion, it's the INTEND of the WORD and the WORK of the Holy Spirit.

Originally posted by Tristan
Hi All,

I don't think that bibles can *ever* be 100% precisely translated. But I often try to go back to the original greek/hebrew to try to learn more about what a particular passage may be saying. Of course translation is a moot point if you don't try to understand the culture of the era, so historical study helps aswell.

I think that the ideal way to read the bible is be fluent in greek & hebrew, and also to have a good historical understanding of the culture at the time that a book was written. Since this is unlikely to be the case for 99.99% of people (including myself), then I think that small innacuracies in translating to english aren't really a problem when reading scripture, especially if you are willing to look up the meaning of the original greek/hebrew.

Besides that point, the Holy Spirit will bring revelation about what you are reading, especially if it is something important that He is trying to communicate with you.


Praise God!!

Blessings,

Tris

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Ditto to everything Tris said above!!!

Did you know that when King James decided to commission the writing of the KJ version, the ONLY, and I mean ONLY qualification for the 45 people on the comittee was that they have good general knowledge of the Word. They were not scholarly men, with scholarly equipment, nor did they necessarily have the best, or earliest transcripts.

Many Greek and Hebrew scholars today will tell you that there are many translation errors in the KJV, and often times will state that according to the best transcripts, a particular passage should have been translated as...

That aside, has anyone ever thought of this. the KJV was not, in any one, the first translation of the bible. While King James may have commissioned it for purposes of getting the bible in the hands of the English speaking world, does that mean that the translations to Spanish, Chinese, Japanese, Portuguese, etc., are all DIVINELY inspired as well, and any translation that comes afterwards is corrupt.

God purposely had original scriptures written in Hebrew and Greek because they are two PERFECT language. When you study, for instance, Greek, you see that a verb has a mood, tense and voice. So, one word could have NINE different meanings, so to speak. It is in knowing the mood, tense and voice of the word that one knows truly what God meant in that particular scripture. Let me give you an example. I once read a scripture that said "...and I will heal you." I took that scripture to mean immediately healing, but the word was actually a future tense verb, which means that the healing would come in the future. Our ENGLISH language is so incredibly puney and elementary compared to the Kione Greek. When you read something in English, and then compare it to the Greek, or Hebrew text, you can easily see why God chose those two languages for the original transcripts.

English is just one language that the Holy Scriptures have been translated into. How do you explain all the others. Are they also inspired. If that is the case, why didn't God just make it easy and have it written in English in the first place. I know these seem like stupid questions, but I am trying to make a point...

Just something to think about.
Blessings,
Cynthia, who happens to prefer the NASB, but often refers to the Hebrew and Greek.

And exactly on which basis do you make this assertion?

Originally posted by Apologist
Jesus created the universe and is omniscient, why then would He need to study?

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God the Father created the universe. Jesus was both God and man. God humbled himself by becoming like a man without Godlike powers on Earth in order to show us the Way.

I'm not saying Jesus didn't learn to read or write or have a passing familiarity with the scriptures. I'm just saying that to be always studying the word but never putting it into practice isn't the Way Jesus revealed to us.

The Jews were amazed and said, "How does he know scripture without having studied?"

Jesus answered them and said, "My teaching is not my own but is from the one who sent me. Whoever chooses to do his will shall know whether my teaching is from God or whether I speak on my own. Whoever speaks on his own seeks his own glory, but whoever seeks the glory of the one who sent him is truthful, and there is no wrong in him. Did not Moses give you the law? Yet none of you keeps the law. Why are you trying to kill me?"

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Simply choose to do God's will and the Spirit will teach you the truths of the scriptures and more.

DaveUlchers, you said on the first page that you wondered if you could burn the Living Bible, or something like that. I use the NLT as my primary Bible. When I first started attending church, I was only 16 and went looking for a Bible that was easy to understand, and I found TLB. Since then, I've gotten an NLT. I do have a KJV also. What is it that you find so horrible about the NLT that makes you say something about burning it? I realize it's a paraphrase, but when comparing it to other translations, I've always found it to be fairly accurate.

Originally posted by Rainbow Joy Promises
I use the NLT as my primary Bible. When I first started attending church, I was only 16 and went looking for a Bible that was easy to understand, and I found TLB. Since then, I've gotten an NLT. I do have a KJV also. What is it that you find so horrible about the NLT that makes you say something about burning it? I realize it's a paraphrase, but when comparing it to other translations, I've always found it to be fairly accurate.

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No, the NLT is not a paraphrase. The Living Bible was a paraphrase. But the approach and concept was totally different with the New Living Translation. Don't be taken in by the claims of the KJV-Only advocates about the supremacy of the KJV.

If you want another translation to use with the NLT, then I would suggest NAS (95) or NKJV or ESV.

Originally posted by aforchrist33
Dear Filosofer,

I can just picture Peter with his NAS bible advising John to get a NKJV or an ESV. Paul walks in and Peter tells John "Don't be taken in by those KJV advocates"

No wonder sinners see christians as a joke.

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And pushing the KJV as the only translation doesn't raise an eyebrow? And the refusal to deal with the manuscript evidence by the KJV-Only crowd? Now that causes many to "see Christians as a joke."

You wouldn't hear Peter belly-ache about Paul using the LXX or Matthew sometimes following the LXX and sometimes the Masoretic text, or even the Aramaic Targums, now would you?

As for sinners, in all of my years of evangelizing, not one "sinner" has bothered with the issue of Bible translation - because all of them have understood the relationship between an original language text and a translation. And the real point is that the 'sinner" see the Christian as a forgiven sinner who trusts entirely in Jesus Christ.