Unsafe Abortions Kill 70,000 Women a Year -Report

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This is why the idea of simply banning abortion will not reduce abortions at all. Those who can afford to will seek abortions elsewhere, probably Canada. Those who cannot afford to travel will choose desperate measures, whether abortions performed by unlicensed providers underground, or worse, will attempt to induce an abortion on their own, using primitive and extremely dangerous methods.

So how do you reduce the number of abortions? In a thread no longer with us -- Can't they simply close the old politics threads and leave them there for people to read and refer to -- someone posted reasons for having an abortion. Basically, over 90% were, as I saw it, economic. The rest were due to a threat to the health of the mother or disability in the child. I think economic problems call for economic solutions. Compensate the mother for her unwanted pregnancy, and ensure a speedy adoption. Now, I suggest that the government should do the compensating because while I think churches and charities could raise funds to support mothers dealing with an unwanted pregnancy, I don't think that churches or charities could serve all in need.

Now, I recognize that some would suggest that such a policy would reward undesirable behavior, but I think that one has to keep in mind that the deed is done. The sex happened, and now there is a child on the way. If we just ban abortion, it's likely that there will be two dead people, a child and her mother. If the situation remains as is, then there will be a dead child and the mother will likely live. If we adopt compensation and speedy adoption, however, then we can have the situation that is most favorable, which is child and mother both living, and having rewarding lives.

To those who would suggest that such a policy is simply not affordable, I would suggest that you think about how much you value human life. If you agree that saving the life of a child is valuable, and a sure way to accomplish this is to give his or her mother a sum of money. We can afford it. We simply have to stop spending so much on killing people and more on loving people, which this policy does.

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crimedog said:
This is why the idea of simply banning abortion will not reduce abortions at all. Those who can afford to will seek abortions elsewhere, probably Canada. Those who cannot afford to travel will choose desperate measures, whether abortions performed by unlicensed providers underground, or worse, will attempt to induce an abortion on their own, using primitive and extremely dangerous methods.

So how do you reduce the number of abortions? In a thread no longer with us -- Can't they simply close the old politics threads and leave them there for people to read and refer to -- someone posted reasons for having an abortion. Basically, over 90% were, as I saw it, economic. The rest were due to a threat to the health of the mother or disability in the child. I think economic problems call for economic solutions. Compensate the mother for her unwanted pregnancy, and ensure a speedy adoption. Now, I suggest that the government should do the compensating because while I think churches and charities could raise funds to support mothers dealing with an unwanted pregnancy, I don't think that churches or charities could serve all in need.

Now, I recognize that some would suggest that such a policy would reward undesirable behavior, but I think that one has to keep in mind that the deed is done. The sex happened, and now there is a child on the way. If we just ban abortion, it's likely that there will be two dead people, a child and her mother. If the situation remains as is, then there will be a dead child and the mother will likely live. If we adopt compensation and speedy adoption, however, then we can have the situation that is most favorable, which is child and mother both living, and having rewarding lives.

To those who would suggest that such a policy is simply not affordable, I would suggest that you think about how much you value human life. If you agree that saving the life of a child is valuable, and a sure way to accomplish this is to give his or her mother a sum of money. We can afford it. We simply have to stop spending so much on killing people and more on loving people, which this policy does.

Please proceed to rip me to shreds.:)
Hey, I think it's a great idea crimedog! I am Pro-Choice but I am against abortion. I simply believe it should remain a choice for women and their partners to make. However, I am most definitely for coming up with ways to dramatically reduce the amount of abortions. :)
 
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JPPT1974 said:
The sad part about this tragedy is that the babies don't have a say. They are the innocent & precious victims left out. They are the ones who deserve a say.
True but that's not what this thread is about. All I am saying is that abortion should remain legal because if it doesn't, it will become unsafe. I think I'd rather there be one death than two.
 
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InnerPhyre said:
If we legalized heroin, junkies wouldn't get HIV from using dirty needles. The argument that "people will still do it if it's illegal" is a ridiculous one. People still murder, rob, and rape even though it's illegal. Should we decriminalize those?
Well, I'm not for legalization of heroin but it would make it safer for them if they had access to clean needles. But what would you rather have? Two dead people or one?
 
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Holly3278 said:
Well, I'm not for legalization of heroin but it would make it safer for them if they had access to clean needles. But what would you rather have? Two dead people or one?
I would rather have strict laws in place to deter the crime from happening. Murder is murder. There's no way around it. After it's illegal, if a woman goes to get an unsafe abortion, she is subjecting herself to that danger. I would rather she not choose to cut the child in her womb to pieces. If someone jumps off a building, and dies, I'll be sad for the man, but odds are, he knew what he was subjecting himself to. Again, if we legalized drugs, far fewer people would get killed while buying them. By that logic, shouldn't we legalize them?
 
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InnerPhyre said:
I would rather have strict laws in place to deter the crime from happening. Murder is murder. There's no way around it. After it's illegal, if a woman goes to get an unsafe abortion, she is subjecting herself to that danger. I would rather she not choose to cut the child in her womb to pieces. If someone jumps off a building, and dies, I'll be sad for the man, but odds are, he knew what he was subjecting himself to. Again, if we legalized drugs, far fewer people would get killed while buying them. By that logic, shouldn't we legalize them?
I would rather keep abortion has a choice and come up with ideas to reduce the frequency of abortions rather than banning them. I don't really have an opinion about the legalization of drugs. Honestly, I think that illegal drugs should remain illegal but that something should be done to provide clean needles to the users so that they won't have as much of a chance as contracting AIDs/HIV and other diseases. You know, something like a station where they can get clean needles at without having to talk to anyone.
 
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Holly3278 said:
I would rather keep abortion has a choice and come up with ideas to reduce the frequency of abortions rather than banning them. I don't really have an opinion about the legalization of drugs. Honestly, I think that illegal drugs should remain illegal but that something should be done to provide clean needles to the users so that they won't have as much of a chance as contracting AIDs/HIV and other diseases. You know, something like a station where they can get clean needles at without having to talk to anyone.

Do you believe it is murder to kill an unborn child?
 
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InnerPhyre said:
There was a time when it wasn't considered murder under the law to kill a black person. That doesn't mean it wasn't murder.
Actually it does mean it wasn't murder. Sorry if you are having trouble with the pedantism I am exhibiting but I am correct on this.
 
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datan said:
that's interesting...how do you think the first murder laws were written...since there were no such thing as murder before they were written...
That does not affect the writing of the law. Something that was formerly not called murder was then called murder. Simple enough, are you following?
 
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