In the bible it talks about not drinking to get drunk. The reason being that when your drunk you let go of morals and values that you normaly adhere to. Now if I were to get legally intoxicated but still able to refrain from sin, is it wrong. Or is the bible saying dont drink to the point of losing control or dont get drunk at all?
Drinking, a sin or a hobby?
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God wants to say something to add to this thread........
Ecclesiastes 9:7 - Go, eat your bread with enjoyment, and drink your wine with a merry heart; for God has already approved what you do.
Proverbs 31
Give strong drink to him who is perishing, and wine to those in bitter distress; 7 let them drink and forget their poverty, and remember their misery no more.
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See, drinking is fun and popular with god. 
Where did I leave that vodka...
Also, I'd like to point out that I lose neither my morals, nor the values I adhere to when I drink too much. Neither do many people I know. I do sometimes lose money, coats, cigarette lighters, and once I managed to lose my shoes. None of which is against my morals or values.
Where did I leave that vodka...
Also, I'd like to point out that I lose neither my morals, nor the values I adhere to when I drink too much. Neither do many people I know. I do sometimes lose money, coats, cigarette lighters, and once I managed to lose my shoes. None of which is against my morals or values.
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So you think that I couldnt get to a certain point when Im drunk to say awww screw it and just give in to sin? You dont think he would want me to stay right minded enough to be able to stand against temptation and not fall?
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What is the point of drinking if not to get intoxicated. Pass a cold one please! My firm belief that there will be no light beer in Heaven! Not familar with the verse the OP is refering to, but there are plenty of warning against excess of anything. To me there is a big difference between excess and having fun.
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My new Johnny Walker/Lagavulin translation of the KJV I could swear has many Scriptural passages lauding the benefits of getting plastered with single malt or blended Scotch.
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It's not a disease. Diptheria is a disease, malaria is a disease, alcoholism is not a disease. That's just namby pamby 1980's feel good nonsense.
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ONE said:
I have no idea, do you? I don't do things when drunk that I regret the next day, (excepting being a little louder, and more vocal, but I'm a happy drunk so I don't seem to upset people, and I'm not insane so I don't get myself into
situations I can't manage when drunk.) and I know many people that do the same. I also know people that shouldn't drink. (My father, for one)
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I don't know, does alcohol tempt you? Will it make you fall? If so them perhaps its a good idea to avoid it, whether or not Jesus minds. If you make a habit of doing things you regret after drinking then maybe drinking isn't for you.
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Drinking isnt necessarily a temptation in and of itself, but in all the public hangouts and situations I attend it is a main part of the gathering. Now me being a christian man, (or at least I try), should I be able to participate in these things as long as I control myself? I mean if I just get tipsy and dont do anything stupid or embarrassing than why do I feel guilty sometimes. Its like I think its bad but I dont know for sure.
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De 14:26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,
2Sa 6:19 And he dealt among all the people, even among the whole multitude of Israel, as well to the women as men, to every one a cake of bread, and a good piece of flesh, and a flagon of wine. So all the people departed every one to his house.
1Ch 12:40 Moreover they that were nigh them, even unto Issachar and Zebulun and Naphtali, brought bread on asses, and on camels, and on mules, and on oxen, and meat, meal, cakes of figs, and bunches of raisins, and wine, and oil, and oxen, and sheep abundantly: for there was joy in Israel.
1Ch 16:3 And he dealt to every one of Israel, both man and woman, to every one a loaf of bread, and a good piece of flesh, and a flagon of wine.
Ps 104:15 And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart.
Pr 23:29-32 Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.
Pr 23: At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder.
Pr 23: At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder.
Ec 9:7 Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works.
Am 9:15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the Lord thy God.
Mt 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
Mt 26:26-29 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and broke it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth, of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.
Jo 2:1-11 And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there: And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage. And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine. Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come. His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it. And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim. And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it. When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew the governor of the feast called the bridegroom, And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now. This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.
the governor of the feast called the bridegroom, And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now. This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.
Ro 13:13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
1Ti 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
*** 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
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I don't know if the 'bible' speaks against it because it simple alters your chances of committing a sin.
I think there is more to the problem of drinking than sinning. I could sit here, by myself and get buzzed quite well, without committing any other sin and I would still consider it wrong. It is not healthy and is disrespectful to your own body and mental state.
I think there is more to the problem of drinking than sinning. I could sit here, by myself and get buzzed quite well, without committing any other sin and I would still consider it wrong. It is not healthy and is disrespectful to your own body and mental state.
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But if the heart is good, meaning its in moderation, but intoxication still incures, than what. To say that one cant get intoxicated every now and than, that is not harmful to the body. So what point in drinking does GOD not like? When you go out and search for it to get drunk? When one gets drunk occassionaly? When one even gets buzzed? When is enough in his book?
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I don't think the issue is accidently getting buzzed. It is one thing to get drugged up to undergo surgery and other to simply get high.
I think the issue is what your intentions are.
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Which would make Christ a pusher at Cana.cube66 said:
No, your position is not universally applicable through Scripture, and don't give me a yarn about it being grape juice. The word is oinos. It's a word for incredibly strong wine. There's another greek word for grape juice, and it wasn't used.
(Or was your intent to give us the impression that Christ is a pusher?)
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Like what kind of sin? Does sin come in buckets, so you could fall in or something? Would you get drunk and say "awww screw it, I hate my neighbor." Might a devil enter your body because the alcohol opened some spiritual door that Jesus never saw fit to tell us about? Nah.ONE said:
As long as its good old fasioned drunk I don't see a problem with it.
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