We all know (hopefully) that God has removed our sins from us, as it says in Psalms 103:12. But it also says in 2 Corinthians 5:10 that we must give an account for all of our deeds on eath, the good and bad, but how can this be, our account of the bad, if all sins (bad) have been removed from us? How shall we give an account of something that God has removed from us?
Accounts of sin in Heaven?!
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Oh and by the way, if we do give an account of the sin in heaven, what about Romans 8:1 where it says there shall be no condemnation in Heaven?
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Hey there RJB and welcome to the forums 
I spoke with you earlier about this, so I'm tryin to add onto what all that was. And I do agree with you... it's a toughy.
I'm thinkin that maybe the fact that the Devil is mentioned as "the accuser of the bretheren" may have something to do with a final answer. As in a trial before the Great White Throne (which you mentioned to me earlier), Satan as "prosecutor" or "accusor" and the Holy Spirit as our "Counsel" named "Counselor." Since all account of our sins have been forgotten by God, the "accuser" is the one who brings these sins up in the court to which our "Counselor" can reply "Tetelestai" ie. "paid in full" Which of course you know payment occured at the cross, and Jesus Himself cried out our judgment as being "paid in full"...
If you remember from our Pastor's sermons, "tetelastai" was what would be stamped on a criminals board after their time in confinement had been spent and such made them free for they were "paid in full." and could no longer be punished for those crimes again. I believe this is what will happen in that Day and that this is where the "no condemnation" arises from. For we can no longer be condemned who have been paid for already. (No double jeopardy in heaven lol)
Now the exacts, I don't know lol But here is displayed my best guess...
I spoke with you earlier about this, so I'm tryin to add onto what all that was. And I do agree with you... it's a toughy.
I'm thinkin that maybe the fact that the Devil is mentioned as "the accuser of the bretheren" may have something to do with a final answer. As in a trial before the Great White Throne (which you mentioned to me earlier), Satan as "prosecutor" or "accusor" and the Holy Spirit as our "Counsel" named "Counselor." Since all account of our sins have been forgotten by God, the "accuser" is the one who brings these sins up in the court to which our "Counselor" can reply "Tetelestai" ie. "paid in full" Which of course you know payment occured at the cross, and Jesus Himself cried out our judgment as being "paid in full"...
If you remember from our Pastor's sermons, "tetelastai" was what would be stamped on a criminals board after their time in confinement had been spent and such made them free for they were "paid in full." and could no longer be punished for those crimes again. I believe this is what will happen in that Day and that this is where the "no condemnation" arises from. For we can no longer be condemned who have been paid for already. (No double jeopardy in heaven lol)
Now the exacts, I don't know
lol But here is displayed my best guess...
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RJBsaJf4ever said:
It is not that we will be condemned for what have done but that who will stand to defend us before the Almighty Judge. Here is a story to reassure you if you are worried about having to give an account of your sins before God. Jesus My Attorney
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How do we answer this question for those that believe even after we've given our heart to Jesus and repent of our sins but yet down the line we sin again after being saved? In other words is our salvation a work in progress or as soon as we're saved we have salvation? I do believe their are circumstance's where one can lose their salvation but not if it's just a christian stumbling along his way.Crusadar said:
I know many christians, myself included, who have sinned after they were saved. Does this mean our salvation is null and void? I'm not asking this question but just wanting to know how others would answer this. I beleive I know the answer.
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The answer for them (and you and me) would be to keep in mind that Jesus paid for our sins 2000 years ago... WAY before we committed even our first sin. So it's not like when you believe at point 'A' everything before point 'A' is forgiven but afterwards when you sin at point 'B' that's you own problem!nephilimiyr said:
When Jesus died on the cross 2000 years ago, He paid for all sins before and after this point 'C'
( c for cross get it lol anyways...) so sin is no longer an issue, but now it is an issue of belief and unbelief.John 3:36 "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."
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The question is not how WE appear before God, but how Jesus our high-priest at our Father's right hand appears before God. And becos Jesus cannot fail, neither can we! AS HE IS SO ARE WE IN THIS WORLD!
In the OT/OC, the 'fate' of the people of Israel rested on the 'performance' of their high-priest. It didnt matter how 'good' or 'bad' the people were. If their high-priest was no good, and screwed up the show when he went into the holy of holies to offer the blood, then its tough luck for the entire nation of Israel.
But Jesus our high priest, representing us today, cannot screw up, so we stand firm forever in him! Don't look at your performance -- look at how Jesus is doing!!!
We are in Christ!
In the OT/OC, the 'fate' of the people of Israel rested on the 'performance' of their high-priest. It didnt matter how 'good' or 'bad' the people were. If their high-priest was no good, and screwed up the show when he went into the holy of holies to offer the blood, then its tough luck for the entire nation of Israel.
But Jesus our high priest, representing us today, cannot screw up, so we stand firm forever in him! Don't look at your performance -- look at how Jesus is doing!!!
We are in Christ!
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RJB writes: "We all know (hopefully) that God has removed our sins from us, as it says in Psalms 103:12. But it also says in 2 Corinthians 5:10 that we must give an account for all of our deeds on eath, the good and bad, but how can this be, our account of the bad, if all sins (bad) have been removed from us? How shall we give an account of something that God has removed from us?"
(2 Cor. 5:10) is a reference to the judgment of the believer's works. All who are saved must appear before the judgment seat of Christ. This occurs in spite of the assurance given by (John 5:24) that the child of God shall not come into judgment. You are correct that all our sins have been judged at the cross and will not be brought up again, but our works and service will be judged (1 Cor. 3:9-15). See also (Romans 14:10; 1 Cor. 4:5; Eph. 6:8; 2 Tim. 4:8).
In Christ,
Tracey
(2 Cor. 5:10) is a reference to the judgment of the believer's works. All who are saved must appear before the judgment seat of Christ. This occurs in spite of the assurance given by (John 5:24) that the child of God shall not come into judgment. You are correct that all our sins have been judged at the cross and will not be brought up again, but our works and service will be judged (1 Cor. 3:9-15). See also (Romans 14:10; 1 Cor. 4:5; Eph. 6:8; 2 Tim. 4:8).
In Christ,
Tracey
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RJBsaJf4ever said:
Degrees of reward in Heaven are taught in this verse. Though Christians have their sins forgiven and will never suffer the punishments of hell (Rom 6:23; 8:1) they will all, nonetheless, stand before Christ at the Day of Judgment to receive various degrees of reward for what they have done in this life (Matt 6:20; Luke 19:11-27; 1 Cor 3:12-15). This judgment will include a disclosure and evaluation of the motives of our hearts (1 Cor 4:5).
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1 Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship.
-we are to present ourselves alongside Christ's sacrifice to enter heaven.
-we must be holy. Our sins are accounted for in heaven if unrepented. Those who die in mortal sin, in a state of rebellion against God even though they believe in him, will not enter heaven.
-nothing unholy will enter heaven, including us.
1 Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship.
-we are to present ourselves alongside Christ's sacrifice to enter heaven.
-we must be holy. Our sins are accounted for in heaven if unrepented. Those who die in mortal sin, in a state of rebellion against God even though they believe in him, will not enter heaven.
-nothing unholy will enter heaven, including us.
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Luchnia said:
The imputation of the righteousness of Christ and justification by His merit are NOT a license to sin, nor are they the only graces that God bestows upon us in the sovereign, monergistic work of regeneration. The progressive maturity in our faith and an increase in our desire and ability to overcome our fallenness are all the direct result of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Our regeneration, faith, justification, sanctification, confirmation, perseverance, and glorification are all by the grace of God.
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