When will Jerusalem be devastated as in Daniel 9:2 Daniel 9:24?

This has already taken place there is no last week to fulfil.

Jesus is not the prince or anointed one of this prophecy.


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"In the first year of his reign (Darius) I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem" (Daniel 9:2).

The desolations mentioned in (vs 2) began in 605 B.C. and by the time of Daniel's discovery in 538 B.C. about 67 years had passed since Jerusalem's capture by the Babylonians. Jeremiah had prophesied the captivity in (25:11-12) and later added to it in (29:10-14).

The determined seventy weeks or sevens began simultaneously with the Babylonian captivity. The prophecy as a whole is presented in (vs 24). The first sixty-nine sevens is described in (vs 25) and the events between the sixty-ninth seventh and the seventieth seventh are detailed in (vs 26). The final period of the seventieth seventh is described in (vs 27). There are divergent interpretations divided into two divisions, namely, Christological and non-Christological views.

I happen to hold the Christological view. All Christological interpretations tend to interpret the first sixty-nine sevens as literal, but there is division when interpreting the seventieth seven. Amillenarians generally regard the seventieth seven as following immediately after the sixty-ninth, therefore holding it already fulfilled. I hold to the other Christological view that the seventieth seven is seperate from the earlier sixty-nine and is scheduled for fulfillment in a future seven years preceding the second advent of Christ.

Wills writes: "Does that take place before the 1000 years and why would Jesus do that after the second advent?
The seventy weeks end at that time, right?"

My belief is Daniel's 70th week is yet future and it will take place seven years prior to the Lord's return to set up His literal earthly kingdom. At that time the determined seventy weeks will be complete.

In Christ,
Tracey

Tracy Do you believe the anointed one is jesus?

The prophecy concerning Jerusalem was fulfilled in A.D. 70. There is no prophetic significance for the present-day Middle Eastern city of Jerusalem, except as the direction in which to pray during the celebration of the Eucharist. The Jerusalem we look for is the New Jerusalem "coming down out of heaven from God," our true home where Christ himself will dwell with his people and we will reign with him forever and ever. In one sense, we are already living in New Jerusalem. In the fullest sense, we are still on the journey toward its final consummation.

ah that is not quite true.

Jerusalem will be destroyed again but it is Daniel 8: and 12: and matt 24 NOT Daniel 9: that prophecy has been fulfilled.

If these prophecies are unfulfilled, why are we able to read and attempt to interpret them out in the open? Unfulfilled prophecies are supposed to be sealed until the time of their fulfillment.

Go your way Daniel for the prophecy is sealed to the TIME OF THE END

Not till fulfilment.

What this means is that the TRUTH will not be known until the time of the End

Not that people won't even talk about them till the time of the end.

See the difference.


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JTF writes: "Tracy Do you believe the anointed one is jesus?"

The Scripture passage in Question (Dan. 9:24) doesn't say anything about an "annointed one." The KJV states, "...and to annoint the most Holy" and the NASB states, "...and to annoint the most holy place."

If your question is in reference to this passage I find it hard to be dogmatic as to its intended meaning. Possibilites range from the dedication of the temple built by Zerubbabel, to the santification of the altar desecrated by Antiochus, and to the new Jerusalem. Some also suggest that it refers to Christ annointed by the Spirit.

My personal opinion, holding to a premillennial view as I do, is it's refers to the annointing of the Holy of Holies in the mellennial temple that will stand in Jerusalem.

In Christ,
Tracey

25] Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time.


many teach this Prince is Jesus the KJV even translates it as Messiah not anointed one.

I will say it again for those just joining us this Prince is not Jesus.

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Just The Facts said:

Go your way Daniel for the prophecy is sealed to the TIME OF THE END

Not till fulfilment.

What this means is that the TRUTH will not be known until the time of the End

Not that people won't even talk about them till the time of the end.

See the difference.


Just The Facts

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The end of what? In the specific context of Daniel, the end of the Old Covenant. More generally, yes, at the end of history, we will understand all of history. But that realization is already anticipated in the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Christ. All the prophecies of the Old Testament are fulfilled in him. What remains is the full realization of that fulfillment--that is, the full implementation of Christ's victory--throughout all of creation. That's why the Church is still here, and will remain to the end and into eternity.

Well Daniel qualifies that doesn't he

When people run to and fro and Knowledge has increased greatly.

This is what allows one to place a time on when full understanding would come.

The Kingdom of Heaven is always advancing in knowledge and Power.

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And why is that so? Because God has given us the full revelation of himself and his purposes for all eternity in and through Christ. All that was to be revealed has been revealed. We just haven't come to fully understand it yet.

JTF writes: "25] Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time."

Thank you for clarifying. Yes I beleive "Messiah the Prince" to be none other than Jesus Christ.

I'm aware of the alternate interpretations of "Messiah" as epithet of king, of priest, of prophet; and in a spiritual sense of patriarch; and even of Cyrus, who is 'My Annointed,' (Is. 45:1), but by far the majority of scholars who accept Daniel as a genuine book find the reference in (vs 25) to Jesus Christ.

It's my belief that the Christological interpretation is that which alone satisfies the requirements of the case. The "anointed one" is Jesus Christ, who was cut off by His death on the cross of Calvary. This interpretation, IMO, provides the key to (vs 26) which states that after "threescore and two weeks," Messiah shall be cut off. The prominence of the Messiah in Old Testament prophecy and the mention of Him in both verses (25 & 26) make His cutting off one of the most important events in the prophetic unfolding of God's plan for Israel and the world.

In Christ,
Tracey

Patmosman_sga said:

If these prophecies are unfulfilled, why are we able to read and attempt to interpret them out in the open? Unfulfilled prophecies are supposed to be sealed until the time of their fulfillment.

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I disagree. Many O.T. prophecies were WRITTEN well before the birth, life, death, and resurrection of Christ Jesus. These were written and communicated, but the SEAL remained on them until the time occured for the prophecies to take place. Then when the seals were opened on the prophecy, the 'wheels' of the prophecies went into motion until the words of the prophecies were fulfilled.

I do not believe that "sealed" necessarily means that the words are kept in secret. Just that the word "sealed" usually means that the time has not come for God to set the prophecy into motion. Understanding the prophecy and acknowledgement of its passing usually comes last --- and too late for the majority who are trapped in misunderstanding, denial, and lack of care.

Also, in regards to prophecy, the seals of many of the O.T. prophecies concerning Jesus have already passed. And look at the world today! A vast majority of Jews do not accept the unsealed prophecies that have taken place concerning Jesus. These prophecies are unsealed, spoken about, and have passed, yet still the mass of the Jews do not accept them or recognize them. Could the same hold true with our understanding of Revelation??

cbk writes: "Also, in regards to prophecy, the seals of many of the O.T. prophecies concerning Jesus have already passed. And look at the world today! A vast majority of Jews do not accept the unsealed prophecies that have taken place concerning Jesus. These prophecies are unsealed, spoken about, and have passed, yet still the mass of the Jews do not accept them or recognize them. Could the same hold true with our understanding of Revelation??"

I don't believe we can compare Jewish blindness, in regard to the gospel, to the majority of Christian misunderstanding of prophecy.

The purpose of God in providing the Bible is that man, to whom it is addressed, may be possessed of dependable information regarding His plan for the ages.

In regard to the Jew a judicial darkness has fallen on Israel which Jehovah instructed Isaiah to announce (Isa. 6:9-10). The blindness came upon them as anticipated and caused the national unbelief that not only rejected their Messiah (Acts 2:22-24), but was the occasion of the breaking off of the natural branches from the olive tree (Rom. 11:13-25). Read also (Isa. 29:10-12).

In Christ,
Tracey

duster1az said:

In regard to the Jew a judicial darkness has fallen on Israel which Jehovah instructed Isaiah to announce (Isa. 6:9-10). The blindness came upon them as anticipated and caused the national unbelief that not only rejected their Messiah (Acts 2:22-24), but was the occasion of the breaking off of the natural branches from the olive tree (Rom. 11:13-25). Read also (Isa. 29:10-12).

In Christ,
Tracey

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True, but is this blindness still on the Jewish peoples?? If not, why do so many still live in darkness with the Old Test. prophecies at hand.

cbk writes: "True, but is this blindness still on the Jewish peoples?? If not, why do so many still live in darkness with the Old Test. prophecies at hand."

"For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, least ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in" (Rom. 11:25).

The blindness, though national, isn't total since those from among Israel who are illuminated by the Spirit obey the gospel and are no longer blinded.

But the time will come when the blindness upon national Israel will be lifted. At the present Israel as a people do not yet believe that Jesus is their Messiah. Nevertheless when it turns to the Lord, the "vail shall be taken away" (2 Cor. 3:14-16).

In Christ,
Tracey