Is Satan acting as 'Director' of Christianity Today ?

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Revelation 13:4-7 and 2 Thessalonians 2:2-5. When you face REALITY with eyes open you understand Revelation 12:12. Consider Hebrews 2:14-15. It alludes that man will remain a captive "all their lifetime"! Maybe we need to leave "spiritual Egypt" (this world)!

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2Cor11:13-15: "(I am concerned, lest as the serpent deceived Eve by his cragtiness, your minds should be led astray from the simploicity and purity of devotion to Christ. For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel ...you bear this beautifully. ...for when the brethren came from Macadonia they fully supplied my need, and I kept from being a burden to you... As the truth of Christ is in me, this boasting of mine will not be stopped ..because I love you. But I will continue to do what I am doing, that I may cut off opportunity from those who desire the chance to be regarded JUST AS WE ARE in the matter about which they boast.) 13. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ And no wonder, for even satan disguises himself as an angel of light Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteosuness; whose end shall be according to their deeds..."



Revelation13:4-7: "And they worshipped the dragon, because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshipped the beast,saying 'Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?' And there was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies; and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him. And he opened his mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, that is, those who dwell in Heaven. And it was given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them; and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him."

2Thess2:2-5: "(Now we request you, BRETHREN, in regards to His coming and our gathering-together-to-Him), 2. that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or disturbed either by a spirit or a word or letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come; for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every socalled god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself AS God. Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? (And you know what restrains him now .only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. And then the lawlessone will be revealed...)"

Rev12:12: "For this reason, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them. Woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, knowing that he has only a short time..."

Heb2:14-15: "Since then the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is the devil; and might deliver those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives..."

It is my experience that people tend not to look up verses, nor do they like to click on links...

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I have definitely pondered whether or not "christians" are actually following God or Satan.
"Little children, let no one deceive you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous; the one who practices sin is if the devil, for the devil sinned from the beginning. By this the children of God and the children of the devil are revealed, the one who does not practice righteousness is not of God..." 1Jn3

This mirrors Matt7, where Jesus says: "No good tree produces bad fruit, no bad tree produces good; therefore you will KNOW them by their FRUITS." Salvation is NOT a belief, it is NOT a doctrine nor lifestyle nor dogma nor "list-of-rules"; salvation is FELLOWSHIP with a real, conscious, sentient, laughing, crying, infinitely wise, loving but just --- GOD...
 
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You have proved my point.
I can guarantee that you are also a person that attends Sunday worship services also...totally unaware that Satan has set up Sunday as his day of worship.
And so the prophecy in Daniel 7:25 is fulfilled..."THINK TO CHANGE TIMES AND LAWS".

God said to: "REMEMBER the Sabbth day, to keep it Holy", (Exodus 20:8-11). And this is the only law..of God's ..that deals with time.

Satan says: NO ! I will set up another day of worship...in disobedience to what God has said.
i will get people who are supposed to be students of God's word ..to reject God's word ..in favor of unscriptural doctrines.
 
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Silver Surfer wrote: (#8)
"I can guarantee that you are also a person that attends Sunday worship services also...totally unaware that Satan has set up Sunday as his day of worship."

How can you guarantee something you have no way of knowing?
tulc(thanks for playing the "let's judge and condemn our brothers and sisters for not believing exactly like me game!")
 
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for this Word:

Isaiah 45:22. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth : for I am God, and there is none else. 23. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Isaiah 55:10. For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: 11. So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

1 Timothy 2:3. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4. Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6. Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Isaiah 66:22. For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

Revelation 5:3. And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints. 4. Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.

Revelation 5:13. And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Romans 3: 4. ... yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

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goodnewsinc said:
for this Word:

Isaiah 45:22. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth : for I am God, and there is none else. 23. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Isaiah 55:10. For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: 11. So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

1 Timothy 2:3. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4. Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6. Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Isaiah 66:22. For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

Revelation 5:3. And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints. 4. Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.

Revelation 5:13. And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Romans 3: 4. ... yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

John,
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[size=+1]Here is a scripture I have posted several times but nobody promoting UR has attempted an answer. If everyone will be saved, in the end, regardless how they lived, what did Jesus mean when He said, “Not every one shall enter the kingdom of heaven.”?
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    Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[size=+1]And here are other passages which have to be explained if UR is correct.[/size]

  • Mark 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
    44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
    45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
    46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
    47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
    48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
[size=+1]In this passage Jesus repeats three warnings; “cast in to hell”, three times; “the worm dieth not,” three times; and the “fire is not quenched, five times. For a total of eleven warnings. There are people who will tell us that these warnings are meaningless. “God will NOT send anyone to hell. Hell doesn’t exist. Hell is only the grave.”

If hell is only the grave, I have never heard of a grave that was on fire and the fire is not quenched. If people in “adeV,” the grave, are unconscious, senseless, without knowledge, why would Jesus warn people five times about fire in hell not being quenched? They are dead, unconscious, fire would mean nothing to them. If “hell” is only the grave, what was the purpose of Jesus’ warning? Every single person Jesus ever spoke to has long since died and been buried, in the “grave.” Jesus warning did NOT keep one single person from dying and being buried.
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There are two kingdoms in one place, (1) human beings who are the seed of the woman, and (2) demons, the deed of the Serpent. Devils reproduced since the fall from Heaven and demons born down here were not previously condemned with their parents. Jesus came to offer these a chance to escape the judgment of their if they would believe and change.

1 Peter 3:18. For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the spirit: 19. By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

Jesus talked to the devils who spoke through the people in the crowds.

Mark 9:1. And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

John 8:24. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. 44. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Clearly Jesus was not addressing human beings here because he told us:

Matthew 23:9. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Needless to say devils declined the offer and they had him crucified. Now they are condemned with their parents to termination by fire.

Isaiah 14:12. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 21. Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities. 22. For I will rise up against them, saith the Lord of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the Lord.

Your problem is that YOU are still "wrestling with flesh and blood" (Ephesians 6:12), because you cannot see demons clinging to the bodies of man as a "badgers' skin veil", Ezekiel 28:13-18.

The scriptures I have presented are not lies, neither will they GO AWAY. You and most men cannot "rightly divide" God's two-edge s-Word, because for you the BOOK is SEALED, Isaiah 29:9-14, Revelation 5:1-5. This Word cannot be defeated by human arrogance that says, "I can break God's Word and read it anyway"! Now I CAN READ it. My name is John, Revelation 10:7-11. That is my job! If you want wisdom go to http://www.goodnewsinc.net/refs.html and start reading.

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You do realize that that "serpent seed" is just anti-semitism all dressed up in new clothes (IMHO) right?

One seed is VISIBLE flesh and blood:

Hebrews 2:14. Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15. And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

Romans 8:18. For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19. For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. 20. For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 21. Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

The other, the seed of the serpent, is invisible to human eyes.

Revelation 12:12. ... Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Isaiah 10:13. For he saith, By the strength of my hand I have done it, and by my wisdom; for I am prudent: and I have removed the bounds of the people, and have robbed their treasures, and I have put down the inhabitants like a valiant man: 14. And my hand hath found as a nest the riches of the people: and as one gathereth eggs that are left, have I gathered all the earth; and there was none that moved the wing, or opened the mouth, or peeped. 15. Shall the axe boast itself against him that heweth therewith? or shall the saw magnify itself against him that shaketh it? as if the rod should shake itself against them that lift it up, or as if the staff should lift up itself, as if it were no wood.

Isaiah 29:15. Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the Lord, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us? 16. Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

Mark 9:1. And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

A separation of the two seeds occurs at PASS OVER time when "circumcision" occurs!

Matthew 13:38. The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39. The enemy that sowed them is the devil ; the harvest is the end of the world ; and the reapers are the angels . 40. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42. And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Men are circumcised out of their clay cocoons and they wing their way to the Throne!

Psalm 90:10. The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

Ecclesiastes 12:7. Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Ecclesiastes 4:2. Wherefore I praised the dead which are already dead more than the living which are yet alive. 3. Yea, better is he than both they, which hath not yet been, who hath not seen the evil work that is done under the sun.

But I do not see any anti-Semitism in any of this! None at all!

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Sorry, "serpent seed" is a heresy that some chuches believe where demons had relations with woman and there are now a breed of people who can't get saved because they are descended from those demons. They claim those are the ones who had Jesus crucfied, and they are outside the realm of salvation not being fully human. Oddly enough "serpent seed" are almost always anyone who disagrees with me.
tulc(who hopes that isn't what you believe)
 
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Satan has already decieved the Christian world...with his appointed day of worship...Sunday.

And as Jesus said: "BUT in vain ...do they worship me...teaching for doctrine the commandmetns of men", (Matthew 15:3,9).

The Bible predicted the prophecy that some anti-christ(ian) power would attempt to change God's...."THINK TO CHANGE TIMES AND LAWS", (Daniel 7:25) law.

Satan knows full well what James 2:10-12 says....if you break just one of the commandemts ...you break them all !"

And the 'wages of sin is (eternal death), Romans 6:23).
 
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Silver Surfer said:
You have proved my point.
I can guarantee that you are also a person that attends Sunday worship services also...totally unaware that Satan has set up Sunday as his day of worship.
And so the prophecy in Daniel 7:25 is fulfilled..."THINK TO CHANGE TIMES AND LAWS".

God said to: "REMEMBER the Sabbth day, to keep it Holy", (Exodus 20:8-11). And this is the only law..of God's ..that deals with time.

Satan says: NO ! I will set up another day of worship...in disobedience to what God has said.
i will get people who are supposed to be students of God's word ..to reject God's word ..in favor of unscriptural doctrines.


So you don't drive or cook on the Sabbath then do you? Cause if you do then you are breaking the Sabbath (cf. Exodus 35:3). Do you see how your logic pans out? If you want to obey the Sabbath as Israel did then it doesn't just include worshipping on Saturdays but many other regulations, of which if broken result in death. It is your choice :cool:
 
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